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There is much debate among gun owners as to the superiority of a GLOCK or XD or 1911.
Here is my stance. I welcome each to add his/her own views.

The XD and XDM has been compared to the GLOCK's since the XD was introduced. Many said that the XD was not as good as a GLOCK because it has not been through the torture tests like the GLOCK has. The GLOCK has been put through hell, and still put rounds down the barrel. Who is to say an XDM wont? Has it been tried? I don’t know.
If it has, someone put us a link to it. The XD is still relatively new, being introduced in the US in 2002. It was first produced by I.M. Metal of Croatia in 1991. After several years of tweaking and modifiying, it was adopted by the Croatian military and law enforcement in 1999.


There once was a time when a GLOCK was the new kid on the block. I am sure people looked at it and said “What? A plastic pistol, are you kidding?” You can bet it was compared to the 1911. There is no way a plastic pistol can hang with the venerable 1911 they said.
Little did they know how popular the GLOCK would become and what it was capable of handling. I will admit, a GLOCK can take abuse and keep firing. It just is not for me.
The first GLOCK pistol was designed in the early 1980’s, because the Austrian Army asked for a pistol model. Gaston Glock responded with the G17, 9mm. It was adopted by the Austrian Army in 1982. The GLOCK line expanded from there, as did its popularity.


The 1911 design originates back to the late 1890’s and was designed by the legend that is John M. Browning. It was adopted for service by the U.S. Army on March 29.1911, thus the M1911 designation. It was the standard service issued side arm from 1911 to 1985, when it was replaced by the Beretta 92 due to political pressure. That is 74 years of military service. It was in service for 71 years before the GLOCK came out. Any new large/medium framed pistol is ultimately compared to the 1911. Many believe that it has no equal. I must agree.

Many law enforcement agencies use one of the GLOCK models of pistols. Some say because of the reliability of the GLOCK, some say because of the magazine capacity, I lean toward the later. How many regular cops plunge their weapon in the sand or mud and then go to work with it? A lot of cops are bad shots anyway, so they may need more rounds.
A large majority of the SWAT teams and military Special Forces units still carry the 1911.
Among them are LAPD SWAT, Marine Force Recon, Delta Force, FBI’s HRT team.
Tacoma PD adopted the 1911 as its official carry weapon in 2004.

No other US made semi-automatic pistol has the service history as the 1911. Since its adoption in 1911, it has been in every US conflict, and is still serving today in the hands of military spec-ops teams. If the US was limited to one semi-auto pistol to have from now to eternity, you can bet the 1911 would be it.
An old lady saw me with my 1911 on my side. She inquired about it and asked why I carried it. I told her my reasons. She asked did I think that Jesus would have carried a pistol if He were here today. I said if He did, you can bet it would be one of these, the 1911.

The 1911 is the pistol that all other semi-autos bow down to out of reverence. No other US made pistol has proven itself time and time again, year after year, decade after decade as has the 1911.

When the chips are down, I will pass up a table full of GLOCKS, XD’s, or whatever for just one 1911. There is no other pistol to match it in the world, and I dare say there never will be.

John Browning, you did a hell of a job on the 1911.
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How do I follow that!

Amen!

Think we just had CHURCH!

We are Blessed to have all 3 weapons...I can't think of anything intelligent to add to this one!
 

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I currently own and carry an XD-40 compact and am very happy. I have not seen any torture tests on the XD like there is for the glock. That 1000 rd G test was one that would convince me that a Glock can take a lickin and keep on tickin, to borrow from Timex. If you haven't seen it then here it is. Two parts.
Part 1
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Part 2
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I have owned a Glock 17 and was not overly impressed nor was I overly unhappy with it. I simply found another gun that I would rather have so I traded it. Basically as far as Glock's are concerned I will straddle the fence. If anyone would like to give me one to see if I will change my mind then I'll be happy to pay the shipping! :D

I have never owned any 1911 nor have I even shot one. My cousin has just ordered a Springfield Ultra Compact 1911 so that should be my first experience with one of them.


Great post Hammer!
 

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Great post Hammer.
I have nothing really bad to say for the 1911's. They are great guns and will always be. IMHO the US Military screwed up bad when they choose the 92 Beretta. There were many more better choices HK, SIG, S&W, ....... to name a few. I, being a huge GLOCK supporter, will choose the Glock over a 1911 in todays times. I do agree that many LEA's choose the glock or similar for capacity. I have seen many LEO's shoot and the average is not that great IMO, that being said, there are LEO's who take pride in shooting and being good with their weapon. those are the ones with the 1911-style weapons. 1911 is tried and true, but I think we needed a change and Glock & Springfield have provided that portal. :sunny:
 

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Personally I like Glocks, Love my XD, want more, Really love my 1911, not a fancy one either, any of the 3 are excellent firearms it is just some fit me better than others.
 

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Hey Volzfan

When U try that 1911...it would be good to try a full sized one...I know u may not have the chance.

That extra barrel length and frame size helps

Baby 1911's and fullhouse loads can be a handfull

U like.....
 

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Personally...if I had to rate one of them for reliability and toughness straight out of the box...it would be a Glock.

Ya'll gotta admit...most 1911's usually need a feed ramp polished or other "reliability" work done on them to feed something other than FMJ or "ball" :2c:

I have and LOVE THEM ALL!
 

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You can look at my username and see what I favor...

But, I gotta say that a Glock is generally more reliable without a break-in period. Now, I'd put any of my 1911's up against a Glock at this point, but they've all been well prepared.
 

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I own two 1911's and will say as a platform for .45 ACP they're hard to beat.

Two faults I can find with the 1911 right off the bat:

* Overly complicated set-up w/ the barrel bushing, etc.

* Single action only

With that in mind, I think *THE ULTIMATE* platform for .45 ACP would be a double action 1911 with a simplified spring retention system; i.e., no barrel bushing.

Now, if you want to talk about platforms for hi-cap 9s and 40s, there's a lot to be said for the Glock and the XD.

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As I'm not a fan of the 1911 I would say XDM. with that said , I do not dislike the 1911. I have small hands and the only 1911 that felt good to me was a para carry.
 

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My only faults for the 1911 are the weight and the limited capacity. Yeah, I know, they have double stacks, but that's like dating a girl with 3 legs, somethin' just ain't right about it. I also know that there's at least one maker of a polymer framed 1911 pistol, and that it gets limited play because it's not a traditional 1911. I have two aluminum framed Kimbers, and they're great shooters made for daily carry. But right now, I have a Pro Carry II HD (steel frame) on...
 

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Old Man Winter Speaks......

Personally, I will not place the 1911 design on a pedestal because some "elite" cops use it. However, that is not to imply I do not like it. Having found things mis-designed in most all handguns which I tore apart, shot excessively without cleaning, broke, busted, and abused, I will advance a few personal opinions here for others to fret over.

1. 1911- slides are known to crack along their bottom edge, right where they impact the frame in recoil. Single-action design is very desirable for repetitive expectation, no surprises when the trigger is pulled, at any time. Capacity is limited without extended magazines, which are non-standard anyway. Safety catch on cheaper models often does not "detent" adequately, and those can easily slip from "safe" position to "fire" position during "cocked and locked" carry. C. and L. is, IMHO, a fallacy, Mr. Cooper notwithstanding, and I personally will have no part of it.

2. Glock- commonest failure is the spring which holds the "take-down" bar in it's upward (secured) position; the slide then falls off after firing, mentioned because it disables the gun, even though it is not very common. Early magazines were horrible, especially in .45ACP- the sides bulged outward when loaded, making the mag fit tightly within the frame; a loaded mag had to be forcefully pulled out of the gun. Later mags were improved, known as "drop-free" mags, but another problem lurks with them also: the notch which the mag release engages "rounds out" in time, making the mag less secure in the gun. Further, the mag release is also plastic, so....'nuff said. Plastic mags suck .

3. S/A XD- Seems to have refined and "glossied" the Glock's misgivings, but too late to dent Glock popularity much. True single-action trigger pull, but still long, due to need for unlocking the striker safety-block. The original 1911 had no firing pin block, and was not deemed to need one until lawyers became a dime a dozen; it had an "inertial" firing pin, which means the pin did not protrude beyond the breech face even with the hammer down and resting on it. 1911 COULD fire if dropped muzzle end down, which allowed firing pin to move against round in chamber. Regarding retention of slide: XD uses a through-pin to secure the slide in place, a stronger, more reliable means similar to that of Sig handguns. Time will reveal other XD weak points not yet known.

4. Sig (220, 226, etc.)- Mentioned often, ignored by all, the Sig's transfer bar, which is moved by the trigger to bear upon the sear to fire the gun, is held in it's upward position, against gravity, by a piss-poor little "C"-shaped whisker spring, which, upon failing, will disable the gun's ability to fire unless held upside-down. My other problem with Sig is it's complexity; comparing disassembled views of a Sig and other handguns reveals the Sig to have twice as many parts in it's lockwork. Sig clones, like Astra, are similarly built.

These are the things I know about the handguns mentioned. Pick away, if you like, as I am always open to changing my mind when convinced to do so. ;)
 

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Brutus said:
....With that in mind, I think *THE ULTIMATE* platform for .45 ACP would be a double action 1911 with a simplified spring retention system; i.e., no barrel bushing.

Now, if you want to talk about platforms for hi-cap 9s and 40s, there's a lot to be said for the Glock and the XD.

:)
Why do you prefer double-action? Safety purposes?

Many designs calibered in .45ACP have no barrel bushing; they must, however use other means of retaining the recoil spring.
 

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massair, I respect your opinion. those things listed above are your thoughts. everything made has faults if looked at enough. I not going to pick your post apart. sounded good to me.
 

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One of the greatest attributes of the 1911 is her sweet sao trigger. I'd be compelled to reject mine if they were da/sa; having said that, I do own a Sig... hmm.
 

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Great post massair..you obviously know your stuff...

what's to "pick apart"...so they all have their faults.....

I prefer cocked and locked....I drink the Cooper Kool Aid all the way down....How many safety's does one need?...

A popular saying @ Gunsite...."Folks the safety is between your ears"

So all of the most popluar pistol designs out there have issues...


maybe I missed the part about what you LIKE.....
 

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....So all of the most popluar pistol designs out there have issues...
maybe I missed the part about what you LIKE.....
OK, you did not miss it, I guess, 'cause it ain't there! My wife says I'm too negative all the time, too. So, what I'm writing is what things I see in each design as detracting from the "perfect" handgun, which obviously don't exist.

What do I LIKE? Anything that shoots projectiles out of it! Handguns especially. We all try to second-guess when we carry a pistol for self defense; will it jam, misfire, break, puke, or otherwise fail at that critical moment, and cost the wrong person dead? On the other hand, if a given "piece" quits, or breaks, after maybe 50,000 rounds, we feel pretty certain it will save our ass when we need it, right?

I just feel it won't hurt for everybody to hear about things gone wrong, and use such awareness when making decisions. And, Yeah, I step on lots of toes, and piss guys off, some LOVE Glocks, or 1911s, or whatever, and one guy on another forum insisted I was an SOB for pointing out things as I do. Ah, well, it's what I do.....kick me out, if that will help....or, try viewing things with an eye toward improving one's knowledge about how things work (or don't work). :|
 
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