[captain-03]

22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

Now that we have our 1st real 22RF F-Class shoot behind us, it is time for some feedback in order to make our future shoots more uniform, efficient, and enjoyable. For those who participated in the shoot - give us your feedback. I will start:

1) Need range set-up in advance of scheduled firing time
2) Need uniform target stands (height and target backing material)
3) Need darker colored target backing material to facilitate better target visibility
4) Do we need 20 minutes per 20 rnd firing string - how about 10-15 minutes?

Ok - let us hear your suggestions for improvement!!

 

[shoeshooter]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

15 minutes.

 

[nonnieselman]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

I had no problems with the way it was Saturday..
I would say maybe run it in 10 or 15 minutes, Its not like that heavy barrel is gonna heat up with 25rounds of Subsonic ammo.
Target stands nor targets bothered me, but im use to shooting at targets that arent perfect.





I did have a transmission fluid hose come off my transmission goin down the interstate on the way home... Not fun seeing a ton of white smoke behind you :yell:

 

[msredneck]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

The background for the target has to be something darker than white.


target might need to be black...even though it makes holes harder to see...we do have some folks that are color blind.


15 Min on a string instead of 20...You don't want folks rushing either...

Have a cutoff on the number of shooters....sign up in advance...snooze you lose

We need to "classify".....$59 BSA's going up against $1400 NF's is :bull:

I'll have a NF on mine next time :evil:

Yeah I know it won't help me that much

 

[nonnieselman]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

My $99 Vortex was plenty to see the bullet holes on the paper set to 24x.

 

[X-Ring]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

The targets are never perfectlly clear at every F-Class match. It is something you have to learn to deal with and shoot with the conditions you have. Every one is shooting the same conditions. The target backing probably needs to be buff color and also the targets need to be printed on buff colored paper like regulation targets, this will help with the glare from the white. But if you use a black target I guarntee you are not going to see any bullet holes.
If I am not mistaken all the target backers were covered with a buff paper right before the first relay Saturday. If we are going to start putting big neon arrows that say aim here dummy it's getting away from the whole concept.

 

[X-Ring]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

I'm shooting a BSA scope, I got beat buy a Nightforce, but that nightforce got beat buy a BSA

 

[Xd357]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

The targets are never perfectlly clear at every F-Class match. It is something you have to learn to deal with and shoot with the conditions you have. Every one is shooting the same conditions. The target backing probably needs to be buff color and also the targets need to be printed on buff colored paper like regulation targets, this will help with the glare from the white. But if you use a black target I guarntee you are not going to see any bullet holes. If I am not mistaken all the target backers were covered with a buff paper right before the first relay Saturday. If we are going to start putting big neon arrows that say aim here dummy it's getting away from the whole concept.

:goodpost:

 

[Xd357]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

All in all I think it was done right. I don't agree with a cut off # if you want to have a cut off time I'm cool with that. If this becomes us 4 and no more it won't last long. I for one don't have a "real"
f-class rifle so I'm really enjoying this .22. I'd go for 15 min relays.
One last this is and I know it will be kinda hard to do but I know I had a hard time shooting in the hole that was on the left side of the firing line. I know I wasn't the only one. I'd like to see every one be able to shoot comfortable and do their best.

 

[captain-03]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

-- some good feedback --- keep it coming!!

 

[msredneck]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

+1 on the hole X-ring and I was in it

One thing that might make the matches more interesting is issuing ammo day of the match. So everyone gets same ammo and has to adjust


It might muck up the works as well...keeps folks from being dialed in before they get there....

Its probably too controversial...

 

[Xd357]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

+1 on the hole X-ring and I was in it

One thing that might make the matches more interesting is issuing ammo day of the match. So everyone gets same ammo and has to adjust


It might muck up the works as well...keeps folks from being dialed in before they get there....

Its probably too controversial...

do y'all do this in real fclass? Nope every one brings there best hand loads. So this ain't gonna fly.

 

[GunOneDown]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

Outside looking in here, but it seems there is a lot of talk about "hole". A little graderblade action needs to happen it appears. As far as target stands, why couldn't there be temporary post stuck in ground on either side with some 2x4's running horizontal to place targets/backers on then it would all be the same. just hang number below postions. Iwill try to make one of these one day for sure, but my thin barrel cz might get hot.
Just some thoughts from reading post from other threads about the match.

 

[jbpmidas]

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I wouldn't care to be "issued" ammo. I want to have the best equipment I can afford. If I have the best I can, then the challenge is on me to perform at a high level. Also, some guns prefer one ammo to another. Mine may love Wolf ME, whereas yours loves something cheaper, or more expensive. For this reason, ammo cannot level a playing field.

 

[Myers]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

22 F class is already different from regular F class in that we can't do our own handloads. So the playing field is already somewhat leveled out. I don't see an issue with "issuing" ammo the day of the match. If anything it would just add an extra bit of challenge to the equation and test people's skills. I see it as pushing your skill envelope and ultimately advancing because of it. Have a gun you are comfortable with, and then get tossed some ammo with unknown characteristics/capabilities, and you are forced to adapt and overcome. At least that's how I see competition..a way to push your skill envelope. my 2 cents though. YMMV

 

[Xd357]

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If your gonna be issuing ammo than it needs to be a bulk pack.

 

[JMS39339]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

Another outsider looking in here and I'm hoping that I can get into this with you guys but... In terms of the rifles/optics/ammo - Yes, the quality matters but not nearly as much as the shooter and how much time he/she spends behind that rifle. Shooting a target at this distance and of this size with a .22lr is a good challenge and a little wind can go a long way. Learning/using proper marksmanship techniques, reading wind, etc and making proper adjustments for these things is an acquired skill and requires a lot of practice. You could give a novice shooter the most expensive gear in the world and he could be out shot by a trained shooter with something less given a few minutes to warm up to the weapon. And especially for your junior shooters, it seems that you would want this to be more about those techniques than the price of the gear. The very reason for using the .22lr is so that it is cheap enough to allow for considerable shooting (and lots and lots of practice). :2c:

 

[nonnieselman]

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If your gonna be issuing ammo than it needs to be a bulk pack.

I wont be shooting if its all gonna be one ammo.. cause somebody is gonna choose the ammo theirs likes and they get the advantage instead of each one doin their testing and sticking with what works best with it.

Mine doesnt shoot espensive RWS Target, Federal Ultra Match, nor Wolf match Extra any better than it shoots Federal bulk from walmart so thats not gonna work. Mine likes SK Standard Plus.

You cant say Ammo is more important than Marksmanship. If it wont group then it just wont group..


Run what ya brung

 

[ScottW]

Re: 22RF F-Class Feedback!! Want your Feedback ..

I think we should all be thankful we had a nice centrally located place to gather, shoot, and fellowship. This is all for fun and giggles until F-class starts back unless we all decide we want to continue this permanantly at which time I think once an official match schedule is published there should be various classes. Just like when I pulled out a $2-3,000 Custom Benchrest Remington 40X and folks started saying you can't shoot that here.....reminded me of my first day at a F-class match with my factory Remington .308 and factory ammo when everyone else had Star War looking rifles. I didn't say anything, I did my best, listened, learned and with the help of others started working on custom ammo.
I think the rimfire F class is going to take off like nothing we have ever imagined if we all work together to make the sport better and welcome everyone, no matter the level of their firearm, but it is not fair for me to shoot a Custom Benchrest Rifle owned by a former National Champion against a factory rifle, but it sure was fun. Ok for the fun matches, but as this grows there will need to be a class structure setup. Thanks again for everyone who help put the match on and if I can be of assistance, do not hesitate to message me.

I would offer that there be a morning relay and an after lunch relay, that way the second relay doesn't burn an entire morning waiting for the first relay to shoot.

 

[mstrophyhunter]

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well said scott i to think we should use what we bring rifles and ammo. i have shot a lot of f-class and have shot in the worst positions and the best kinda the luck of the draw if we were all shooting 200 it would be no fun . if we are going to shoot all shots before switching shooters i think we need to put all 6 targets on one board after each 20 shot string the shooters secure gun and the one s waiting should go score i think this will speed up the process also give the second bunch of shooters something to do. are shoot in 3 strings with 6 targets on board first group shoot then second then third then all go score replace targets and then redo. knda like 3d bow shoots