Yea yall got good points. This is my first time using this ammo and I can see where they have some good ideas in theory, kinda like democracy is a good idea in theory. These round seem a little small on the kill end so thats where I can see why they arent feeding right, not a big deal like MSREDNECK said jut find what works right. Ill be heading to the range here sometime time soon to get rid of them and in the meantime ill pick up a box of normal JHP's. 4RUNNER, I'm heading to Norfolk, VA tomorrow for work and ill be up there all week so when I get back we should hit the range, you been to GUN-HO yet? Last I heard is they are open for business. I'll get a hold of ya when I'm back in town and we can head out there.