[quigleysharps4570]

Anyone have experience reloading the .224 dia.62 gr. fmj with steel penetrator?
What rate of twist is best suited for this bullet too?

 

[nonnieselman]

1:7 i believe.. its longer than a normal 62gr i think.. ah im full of no information.. :lol4:

 

[Methos]

If your talking about the M855 bullet, I've loaded some of these from pulled milsurp. They shoot good from my bushy. It has a 1:9 twist.

 

[Doug Bowser]

Anywhere from 1 in 7 to 1 in 9 is best.

Doug

 

[quigleysharps4570]

Thanks guys.

 

[SubGunFan]

As I hear, when you go above 70gr, the 1-7 is needed.

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[jbpmidas]

From my research, the military went to the 1-7" for the 62gr steel core. The length of the projectile is the reason for a faster twist. The 62gr. steel core is longer because the steel core is lighter than lead.

 

[DBChaffin]

I agree with Methos and Mr. Bowser, as 62 gr. steel core shoot very well in my 1:9" barrel. Also, take a look at this section on barrel twist here.

According to it, 62 grain steel core bullets are as long as most 70 gr. bullets, and a 1:9" twist will let you shoot up to about 73 gr. bullets. A 1:8" or even 1:7" twist is preferred for the 77 and 80 gr. bullets.

 

[jbpmidas]

My 1:7" loves 69gr. Noslers.

 

[DBChaffin]

I believe the military actually went to the 1:7" not for the M855 62gr. steel core but for the longer M856 tracer round. Some really good info here, including the following:

Q. OK, what is all this stuff about rifle twists and different ammo?

A. Rounds in flight spin for stability because of the rifling on the inside of the barrel. Depending on how much they spin, they are more or less stable in their flight and therefore more or less accurate. The earliest AR15s from the early 1960s had a twist rate of 1 complete twist every 14", or 1:14. This was increased to a twist rate of 1 turn in 12" for the M16, XM16E1, M16A1, and later rifles and carbines. The current M16A2s and up and the M4 carbines have a much faster twist rate, 1 turn in 7". The reason for the 1:7 twist is mainly to stabilize the M856 tracer bullet, which is much longer than other bullets. You will recall from above that the M856 was designed to provide 800 meters of trace out of the SAW.

While the slow 1 in 12" twist is adequate to stabilize the 55 grain M193, it will not stabilize the 62 grain M855. As a result, the newer M855 ammo will group 1-2 feet at 100 yards, with bullets flying through the air sideways, instead of shooting to about 2" at 100 yards, like military ammo should.

All this has some ramifications for ammunition selection depending on your rifle's rate of twist.

You can also overspin projectiles and cause overstability. This results in the not-so-desirable condition that keeps the nose of the round pointed high, as illustrated below:

You can also spin them so hard they fly apart. That's rare, but it happens if you are dealing with very tight twists and very high velocities. When fired at 3200 fps in a 1-in-7 twist rifle, a round is rotating at over 300,000 rpm when it leaves the muzzle. Light, thin-jacketed varmint bullets (i.e., 40gr Hornady TNT or Federal Blitz bullets) often can't take that much spin and will pull themselves apart.

Generally, twist should be chosen for the heaviest (actually longest, as jbpmidas stated, it is length, not weight) bullet you intend to shoot, as they will typically shoot lighter bullets well too, to a point anyway, though

Target shooters, especially bench rest shooters, like to use the slowest possible twist rate they can get away with in an effort to get the very ultimate in accuracy from their barrel.

See the info and twist charts available here: http://www.riflebarrels.com . Interestingly, according to Lilja, a 1:9" will shoot up to a 75 gr.

Anyway, back to the original question,

Anywhere from 1 in 7 to 1 in 9 is best.

as Mr. Bowser suggested.

 

[jbpmidas]

I may have gotten the 855 and 856 mixed up or something. Anyway, I am sure there is a good reason for me being wrong! That's twice now! :lol3:

 

[SubGunFan]

From my research, the military went to the 1-7" for the 62gr steel core. The length of the projectile is the reason for a faster twist. The 62gr. steel core is longer because the steel core is lighter than lead.

The military guns are 1:9 aren't they....? Edited to add: OOPS... I guess I should have read more before posting. I sure thought mil. guns were 1:9.

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