[captain-03]

Let me hear your feedback!! As stated at the beginning of the match; this is a work in progress and we would like to make it enjoyable to as many as possible ... what was good, what was bad, and any new ideas!!

Mrs.Hammer has suggested we let Relay 1 score Relay 2 -- excellent idea!!

 

[SubGunFan]

KUDOS and a "rant".....................

CONGRATS to jbpmidas on his KICKING OUR BUTTS (brought his A-GAME) win today.

Now for the "rant".................

No more whining about needing a 40-X and NightForce scope to shoot a winning score. DaMan took a $400 rifle and $80 scope and WHOOPED A$$ today. Why............... he got lucky. Maybe, but I don't think so. I think he "learned his rifle" by practice (quality trigger time).

On the other hand........... a higher power scope and good ammo is needed.......... IMHO.

OK, back to KUDOS..................

A super BIG KUDO goes to Captain for not only putting on the match today, but for stepping up to be the Match Director for 22RF F-Class at Magnolia in 2011.

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[M1GarandFan]

Big thanks to Captain for getting the match put together, running it, and taking on the Match Director job for these matches. I enjoyed the match and hope to make more (with a different rifle).

Also thanks to everyone who helped put up and take down the targets.

P.S. I also like the idea of one relay scoring the other unless we only have one relay.

 

[Xd357]

No rants just all good things to say. Very well ran and organized match.

 

[jbpmidas]

Great match! We enjoyed it thoroughly! That's about all we talked about for the 3+hour drive home. Of course, shooting is about all we talk about anyway, that and our loving wives!

Sub, you told me to bring my "A" game, so I brought it and a lot of luck!!!!!

 

[jbpmidas]

I think congratulations are in order for the 2 clean targets!

Way to go Captain and Suber!

 

[Xd357]

I think congratulations are in order for the 2 clean targets!

Way to go Captain and Suber!

right on!!

 

[captain-03]

I think congratulations are in order for the 2 clean targets!

Way to go Captain and Suber!

I think congratulations are in order for the 2 clean targets!

Way to go Captain and Suber!

right on!!

Wish it were only so -- see my post on the other thread!! Thanks anyway for the thought!

 

[Xd357]

Anybodys neck sore? I know mine is.

 

[jbpmidas]

Here is my training regimen for prone shooting:

3 nights a week a lie in the floor, on my belly, and watch TV. About the time I get comfortable, my kids come full speed and jump on my back and chhoke me and tickle me and whatever else they think they can get away with.

It's not scientific, but my neck isn't sore.

 

[SubGunFan]

Lower your head for a few seconds after each shot, or at least after 3 shots. That helps me. My neck is not sore.

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[captain-03]

I know that all hardcore competition shooters will have their rifles in match condition prior to any competition; however, I would like to see anyone willing to come out a shoot be given a fair advantage – thus possibly increasing our participation in this event.

Here is something I am considering after observing several shooters yesterday having a problem “getting on target”. Instead of having two targets with a sighter box at the top, we actually have 3 targets per string of 20. The first target would be for your sighter rounds and the other two for scoring. We had some shooters who did not know where their shots were going because of the small area used for the sighters. Also, this should eliminate the issue of sighter rounds going into the scoring rings below the sighter box.

Also, I would propose placing no limit on the number of sighter rounds fired or when they could be fired. However, the time limit would not change for shooting your sighter rounds and completing the 20 rounds for record. It would stay at 20 minutes. If you elected to shoot 25 sighter rounds onto your sighter target – OK; however, that goes into your 20 minutes to shoot the 20 rounds for score onto the other two targets.

We also had a couple issues with optics yesterday. I would propose permitting the shooter to go back to the sighter target at anytime during the firing string. However, they can have no more that 10 shots in each scoring target. Example: You are shooting the scoring target for score and have a couple rounds go haywire … you will be permitted to go back to your sighter target and shoot it to check for a problem and/or make the necessary adjustments. You can then go back to your scoring target and complete your 10 rounds for score. Of course, ALL of this must take place within your allotted time of 20 minutes per string. If more than 10 shots are within the scoring target, the highest number hit will be disallowed.

This proposal would not slow down the match and would permit shooters a little flexibility …. Give me your Pros and Cons!!

 

[shoeshooter]

You're assuming only one relay, with each shooter having his/her own stand, which is the preferred plan anyway?

Like the idea of a full-blown target for sighters. Not so sure about switching back & forth, though. Personally I think it would be detrimental to my concentration, plus you're going to change your position to shoot another target. May cause more problems than it solves. Not opposed to it for others, just don't think it will work for me.

I'm still pushing for a black target, better contrast than the blue later in the day when it heats up.

 

[captain-03]

You're assuming only one relay, with each shooter having his/her own stand, which is the preferred plan anyway?

No; not assuming 1 relay -- can be accomplished regardless of number of relays -- Yes, I am assuming each shooter will have their own target stand.

Not so sure about switching back & forth, though. Personally I think it would be detrimental to my concentration, plus you're going to change your position to shoot another target. May cause more problems than it solves. Not opposed to it for others, just don't think it will work for me.

It would be up to the individual shooter ... just gives them an option.

I'm still pushing for a black target, better contrast than the blue later in the day when it heats up.

I am not opposed to a different "color" type target. What you got in mind? Want to design one?

 

[shoeshooter]

Nope, the one we've got is fine. I just find it works better for me in black ink rather than blue. I don't find it anymore difficult to locate my "holes" than on the blue one. YMMV.

 

[ree_countrygirl]

I know that all hardcore competition shooters will have their rifles in match condition prior to any competition; however, I would like to see anyone willing to come out a shoot be given a fair advantage – thus possibly increasing our participation in this event.

Here is something I am considering after observing several shooters yesterday having a problem “getting on target”. Instead of having two targets with a sighter box at the top, we actually have 3 targets per string of 20. The first target would be for your sighter rounds and the other two for scoring. We had some shooters who did not know where their shots were going because of the small area used for the sighters. Also, this should eliminate the issue of sighter rounds going into the scoring rings below the sighter box.

Also, I would propose placing no limit on the number of sighter rounds fired or when they could be fired. However, the time limit would not change for shooting your sighter rounds and completing the 20 rounds for record. It would stay at 20 minutes. If you elected to shoot 25 sighter rounds onto your sighter target – OK; however, that goes into your 20 minutes to shoot the 20 rounds for score onto the other two targets.

We also had a couple issues with optics yesterday. I would propose permitting the shooter to go back to the sighter target at anytime during the firing string. However, they can have no more that 10 shots in each scoring target. Example: You are shooting the scoring target for score and have a couple rounds go haywire … you will be permitted to go back to your sighter target and shoot it to check for a problem and/or make the necessary adjustments. You can then go back to your scoring target and complete your 10 rounds for score. Of course, ALL of this must take place within your allotted time of 20 minutes per string. If more than 10 shots are within the scoring target, the highest number hit will be disallowed.

This proposal would not slow down the match and would permit shooters a little flexibility …. Give me your Pros and Cons!!

i didnt shoot yesterday but i like that idea, and i'm with shoe i think printing the targets in black would be easier to see

 

[Johnny Mc]

My thanks also to the Captain and others who got this together. It felt good to dust off the old smallbore equipment and smell some smoke. We have been needing something like this for a long time that new shooters can come to and be comfortable. It was nice to see shooters of all levels having a good time and enjoying their rifles whatever they brought. I also suspect that the matches will go faster when everyone learns what to do and what is expected.

 

[Xd357]

I'm all for it captain.

 

[Johnny Mc]

What the Captain is suggesting is sounds exactly how the NRA has managed conventional smallbore matches forever. The 100yd target is black and we would not have to re-invent anything. Somebody spent a lot of time and ink on the targets we shot yesterday. The NRA target is available to use and I believe everyone would enjoy it. Our scores might go up numerically , and with some of the hard holding I saw yesterday, X-counts can figure out who did the best if need be. This target would also permit someone to use iron sights if they were brave enough or God forbid they had a scope malfunction.

If we were pulling targets in the pits, I would not be for unlimited sighters, but for smallbore, I really don't care how many sighters someone else shot. As long as everybody has the same opportunity, you can do what works for you.

 

[mrparamedicdawson]

First off, I give a big thanks to Captain for doing a great job, and for letting me borrow his rifle after a major optic malfunction. I agree with having a dedicated sighter target and putting all the targets in black instead of blue. I also like the idea of moving to the middle range therefore we don't have to move equipment between relays. I would like to see, if we do have to move our equipment between relays that we are allowed 5 min instead of 3 for prep time. Just some thoughts. Again thanks.