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First shots with the "new" Hawken

Some 35 years ago I worked for Navy Arms Co. in Ridgefield, New Jersey under the company's founder, Val Forgett. Mostly I was trying to make enough money to sneak out of NJ and get home to God's Country, but Navy in those days was sort of THE PLACE to go for muzzle loading reproductions. I heard a few years ago that Mr. Forgett had passed away.

Anyway, I was looking around on Gunbroker back around the first of the month and found a Navy Plains Rifle made in the early 80s. It was in good shape and the price was okay, maybe a bit high, but I got sort of nostalgic, so I bought it. When I went to contact the seller, I found it was none other than Val Forgett, Junior, and that the business had moved in 1990 down to West Virginia. Mr. Forgett shipped my rifle promptly, and I was able to find everything needed for loading it already here, except bullets. I got 500 .490" balls in another auction, and I got them before the rifle came, so I did some needed maintenance on a rifle that had been in storage for 25 or more years, then fired a few rounds just to work out the kinks.

Today I finally got a powder flask that would throw a charge approximating what I thought worked best in my testing, and I set up a target at 40 yards. It's an 8-inch Shoot-n-See, as you can tell.

No idea where that first round through the clean bore went, but offhand, kneeling, blind in one eye and can't see out of the other, I think the old smokewagon did okay. I'll give it another try tomorrow, I think, after adjusting the elevation just a bit.

I got the Navy partly for nostalgia, and partly because it was about as traditional as I could find in a reproduction. And I'm pleased. It's a light little carbine, almost zero recoil, and the 75-grain load gives a nice CRACK when it goes off.

 

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Re: First shots with the "new" Hawken

I'd put her on a bench with bags to see what she's capable of.
Back in the 70's I'd read an article about Val Forgett hunting the big 5 in Africa with a .58 and had to give it a try with mine. That big conical was no fun to shoot off a bench with his load.
Pics of that new rifle?
 

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quigleysharps4570 said:
That big conical was no fun to shoot off a bench with his load.
Pics of that new rifle?
It's nothing really special, just a plain old Hawken copy, but it's mine. The rear sight is what sold me... the TC rifles are just too high tech, and while the rear sight on this one is fully adjustable, it's more inconspicuous, which gives the barrel a clean line. Weight of the whole thing is about like a .30 carbine, so it's nothing to carry, but that big ball must be really moving along. I'll get it onto a bench one day soon. I was supposed to today, but I was pretty seriously under the weather the last couple of days and didn't get a chance to go out for long.

Mr. Forgett told me the big .58 loads left him sore, but not damaged. Some of those big old Nitro calibers would cause detached retinas and permanent blindness, along with broken shoulders and collarbones. The master gunsmith at Navy in those days was a South African who collected and restored double rifles and kept several in the shop just to show to people. That was in the days when a nice one could be bought for "only" $4,000 or a little more.
 

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PS: If I remember correctly, the load for the "light" .58 Buffalo Hunter was 125 grains of FFFG under a 600-grain Minie style bullet.

My shoulder hurts just thinking about it.
 

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Still tweaking my load, and I screwed up when I forgot to run some dry patches down the bore before loading up today. Had several misfires, but once she starting going off, all was well. Tried new patching material and adjusted the sights as I went, since the new patches apparently sent the bullets higher.

This is back another ten yards, to fifty.

 

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Re: First shots with the "new" Hawken

Back in the late 60’s I purchased a Hawken kit.

As I recall it had double set triggers. Yours have them? As I recall they were lovely, very crisp.

It is long gone now.
 

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No double set triggers, just a folded spur traditional straight trigger on this one. Four of my five Sharps rifles have double sets, however, and I do love them, especially at the range.
 
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