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To me it's nothing more than a glorified 22 mag. The round was designed to be fired out of a short barreled P90. And also designed to fire an armor piercing round. However that armor piercing ammo isn't available to you and me. So what you get is a really expensive round with the ballistics of a .22 magnum.
Kel-tec released this though. This gets me going. Flush fitting 30!-round magazines. And it actually fires .22 mag. All for less than half of the cost of a Five-seveN.
http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/pmr30.htm
You know why they're called FN? Because their guns are F'N ugly. Sorry couldn't resist.
Kel-tec released this though. This gets me going. Flush fitting 30!-round magazines. And it actually fires .22 mag. All for less than half of the cost of a Five-seveN.
http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/pmr30.htm
You know why they're called FN? Because their guns are F'N ugly. Sorry couldn't resist.
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...um, I have a 5.7, my cousin does too, with custom bullets offered by Elite Ammunition the 5.7 can be loaded with ammo that fulfills its original purpose. They have some very POTENT stuff available. The 5.7 outpaces the 22 WMR when handloaded to its potential. I agree the factory ammo is severely underpowered and very over priced.
I love my 5.7, but it is not a 'plinker' type round, oh yeah, loading that little round is a pain in the a$% too, you have to be VERY precise.
The 22 wmr can do alot of what the 5.7 can do and for less money, but it cannot do all of what the 5.7 can do. Just my humble opinion and observation.
http://www.fnforum.net/
The best forum on the 5.7, Elite Ammo has a link there too as well as a sub forum dedicated to their ammo and services.
I love my 5.7, but it is not a 'plinker' type round, oh yeah, loading that little round is a pain in the a$% too, you have to be VERY precise.
The 22 wmr can do alot of what the 5.7 can do and for less money, but it cannot do all of what the 5.7 can do. Just my humble opinion and observation.
http://www.fnforum.net/
The best forum on the 5.7, Elite Ammo has a link there too as well as a sub forum dedicated to their ammo and services.
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http://www.fnforum.net/5-7mm-vs-9mm-22wmr-on-youtube-t12889.html
22 wmr from a 24" rifle, vs 5.7 handgun with 'weak' factory ammo (two different types). The 5.7 wound channels are larger and both wound channels penetrate further into the stacked wet phone books. Again, this is with 'weak' factory ammo and not the premium custom stuff that can be made or bought and yes it is LEGAL.
22 wmr from a 24" rifle, vs 5.7 handgun with 'weak' factory ammo (two different types). The 5.7 wound channels are larger and both wound channels penetrate further into the stacked wet phone books. Again, this is with 'weak' factory ammo and not the premium custom stuff that can be made or bought and yes it is LEGAL.
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I would add that I would like to get the Kel tec for some fun plinking...I am definitely not 'hating' on it.
My dealer was told by 3 major distributors that the Kel tec PMR is a pipe dream and that kel tec wasnt going to put it out in the market. This is a common practice by gun companies they talk about something too early then dont put it out. It really irks me. I wanted a kel tec too!
Didn't mean to offend anyone who owns a 5.7
It's a cool round, but to me it's a novelty. If it's not a "plinker" round then what is it? If you're using it for self defense, then you're still using a very small, and in my opinion, weak, round. If you're using it for hunting, you're most likely using the PS90 and if you're shooting a gun that size, there are much more efficient/effective rounds in a similar size for less cost.
You can't argue that the round was NOT designed by FN to be fired semi-auto. The round was specifically designed to be fired in fully automatic, to hit the target with multiple rounds.
I didn't mean to offend anyone. The gun is cool. I think it's VERY cool. But practical it is not. And this is coming from a guy who owns several guns that aren't "practical." My issue lies in people who say the round is better than such and such round. It's just not being used the way it's designed.
It's a cool round, but to me it's a novelty. If it's not a "plinker" round then what is it? If you're using it for self defense, then you're still using a very small, and in my opinion, weak, round. If you're using it for hunting, you're most likely using the PS90 and if you're shooting a gun that size, there are much more efficient/effective rounds in a similar size for less cost.
You can't argue that the round was NOT designed by FN to be fired semi-auto. The round was specifically designed to be fired in fully automatic, to hit the target with multiple rounds.
I didn't mean to offend anyone. The gun is cool. I think it's VERY cool. But practical it is not. And this is coming from a guy who owns several guns that aren't "practical." My issue lies in people who say the round is better than such and such round. It's just not being used the way it's designed.
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I bought a 5seven pistol when it first came out for $590 bucks i sold it a few months after that when the price went up to $900. I have yet to add another one back into my collection. A family member in the FBI said the 5seven pistol is a big hit with gangs and mafia as the prefered "hit man" weapon. Even with non AP rounds they will defeat lvl III body armor worn by most LE guys. I have heard lots of people compare them to a 22mag but one in your face test i dare yal to try.. go to your local butcher shop and get two roasts that are about to go out of date or is out of date and shoot one with a 22mag and the other with the 5seven... the results are undisputable. I know a few LE guys that want it has their duty pistol but their departments will not let them carry it due to ammo cost and potential bad PR that could come from it.
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The 5.7 is not a plinking round ONLY if one considers cost and and/or ease to reload. However, it is a BLAST to shoot IF the cost are not a factor for the shooter. They are for me so I choose to shoot it sparingly.
It is a special purpose round. The round is high speed, inherently accurate, and very controlable in follow up shot situations from the hand gun. The high speed nature of the round (when loaded properly) lends itself to penetration where other BIG and SLOW (in comparison) bullets will not go.
There are ALOT of myths out there about the 5.7 platform, it does not penetrate 1/2 steel at 400 yds, it cannot take out a tank, or even a vehicle for that matter. However, it can, in certain situations, defeat body armor that other rounds cannot do. It does this by nature of its specific design: a high velocity, small surface area, non explosive bullet.
It is a special purpose round. The round is high speed, inherently accurate, and very controlable in follow up shot situations from the hand gun. The high speed nature of the round (when loaded properly) lends itself to penetration where other BIG and SLOW (in comparison) bullets will not go.
There are ALOT of myths out there about the 5.7 platform, it does not penetrate 1/2 steel at 400 yds, it cannot take out a tank, or even a vehicle for that matter. However, it can, in certain situations, defeat body armor that other rounds cannot do. It does this by nature of its specific design: a high velocity, small surface area, non explosive bullet.
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HAHAHAHA! Pipe dream? Your dealer is full of crap. They already have taken peoples pre-order money and they are saying the guns will ship in June.Rbelote said:
The PMR is real, just dont expect it to ship on time and don't expect demand to be low. You will have to fight for one. I want one bad!
It's gonna be almost as hard as trying to get a RFB. They get snatched up as soon as they become available.
Some gun companies may blow smoke, but Kel Tec delivers. If only their flashlight carbine was going into production.
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I cannot comment on the 5.7 round as a single-shot handgun round from personal experience. Based on my experience using it in the P90, it would not be my first (or 2nd or 3rd) choice for a handgun defensive round. I can tell you, however, that when fired from the longer (relatively speaking) barrel of the P90 and fired in bursts, it is an incredibly effective defensive round. I have personally seen it penetrate multiple layers of body armor fired in both single rounds and in bursts. The average citizen, however, does not have access to use it in that platform, for which the round was originally designed.
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Calm down he was just relaying what they told him. They may be wron, but I have seen it before. IF they do make them it may only be a limited run. Look at their 308 front eject rifle. I would love to get one but they are few and far between. I dunno if they jut cant keep up with demand or what. I dunno who cares.Subsonix said:HAHAHAHA! Pipe dream? Your dealer is full of crap. They already have taken peoples pre-order money and they are saying the guns will ship in June.Rbelote said:
The PMR is real, just dont expect it to ship on time and don't expect demand to be low. You will have to fight for one. I want one bad!
It's gonna be almost as hard as trying to get a RFB. They get snatched up as soon as they become available.
Some gun companies may blow smoke, but Kel Tec delivers. If only their flashlight carbine was going into production.
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