Going......old school

Discussion in '"Boolit" Casting' started by Ellis93, Mar 26, 2018.

  1. Ellis93

    Ellis93 Distinguished Poster MSGO Supporter

    And I don't care for it lol
    Yucky nasty greasy lube.....and a gas check. Bought this 450 Lyman lube sizer a few weeks ago and have spent quite a few dollars gathering up dies and top punches. Actually spending more for them (used) than I spent on the whole sizer itself (used as well).
    So far I have dies for
    .457(came with sizer)
    .452
    .3095
    .356
    .338
    And a few top punches.

    Lube is another issue as well. I bought some Lyman orange magic initially but have read on castboolits where others used the red rooster and various others for all sorts of applications. I intend to use these others as well,for now I will use up the orange.....trying it to is full potential.
    So far I've lubed a few 300gn 45 colt projectiles and around 50 or so .338.
    Besides the nasty lube.......I have to say that this thing seats a gas check way better than the Lee sizers. Not as fast but very effective. Where the Lee tool will sometimes drag a side of the check off and ruin the projectile,the Lyman seats them 100% of the time. Just don't use the wrong top punch or the nose of your bullet will be screwed up. I have ruined more than a few......they'll be recycled lol
    The sizer I've purchased
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    The 300gn colt projectile....notice the ring at the top. Yep...wrong top punch,haven't found the right one yet.....yet!
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    .338 projectile
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    My collection thus far.....heating the sizer with a bottle torch is not ideal. Works tho lol
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    The next thing I'm going to attempt is to build a heater for it. Yes,I know I could purchase one....for 75$. Or.....I could just build one.
    So far my parts I've gathered is a cord from an old DVD player and this little feller
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    This is a thermostat for an RV water heater. 110v unit,130*f
    Next thing is a ceramic heating element from china. I'm still waiting on it but here's a pic from the listing on eBay.
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    Now that little thing is supposed to regulate its temp to 130*c that's 266*f......much too hot
    The idea is to set it on a thick piece of plate,and to have the purchased thermostat to regulate temp by having it touching the front base of the sizer body,by the lube cylinder.
    I'm thinking of finding a magnet to epoxy the thermo inside of and have it movable till I find the perfect distance away from the element for the heat to remain consistent. Clear as mud?
    Might seem like a lot to do just to avoid 75$ but.....if it works I'll have 20$ in it lol
    I'll have a grand total of 133$ in all of it. Not too bad considering what a new 4500 cost ;)
     
  2. RedneckRob

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    You know a 100 watt light works just as good plus you get extra light to see by. Got that from C. Boolets.
     

  3. Ellis93

    Ellis93 Distinguished Poster MSGO Supporter

    I seen that,I just think I'd go blind looking at that. Most all of my stuff is done at night so I already have enough light.
    One other thing i found was to use a clothes iron. Set it on the plate and adjust it to whatever temp is suitable.
     
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  4. Finn 39

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    I use a heat gun to warm my 450.
     
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  5. SubGunFan

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    Take a rag and wipe the lube off the gas checks. I do this when I removed the lubed bullet from the sizer.

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  6. Ellis93

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    Got my heating element!
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    Time to tinker.

    It's tiny so I may not have to make anything,just make it stick to the tool. :hmm:
     
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  7. Ellis93

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    Plan on it.....other than cleanliness,what's your reasons for it?
     
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  8. SubGunFan

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    No powder touching lube.
     
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  9. Ellis93

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    No burn, I'd guess.
     
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  10. Ellis93

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    Failure number one.
    Put it all together,electrically it worked fine.....didn't work long enough to see if the thermostat works out before the foil tape I had holding the element to the body decided to give up.
    The element......that little bastard gets hot....FAST! Burnt my poor little pidders lol
    Pics
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    The foil tape actually held till I covered it with some foam to try to insulate it,trying to direct the heat toward the sizer body. That's when the foil turned loose lol
     
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  11. RedneckRob

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    Hose clamp maybe ?
     
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  12. Ellis93

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    Thought about that but decided to go another direction.......below like the Lyman heater is. Only I had no heat sink material here at the house. All my odds and ends metal is at the shop,23miles away. So I did the next best thing. Continued on next post.
     
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  13. Ellis93

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    So.....I sucked hind tit on my first attempt and I went back to brainstorming. What I came up with was to go below the sizer body like the Lyman heater does. I didn't initially want to do this but I also wanted the heat to at least go into the sizer body,no wasted heat to atmosphere.
    I had nothing on hand to use for a heat sink,nor anything to mount to the table and hold the lube sizer. :hmm:
    I kind thought I had hit a

    :deadend:
    Till I looked down under my casting bench and seen the stack of lead! There's my dang heat sink material! The ideas just flooded to me then. What I settled on was to take the cherry wood I had my sizer mounted on now,and use a router to cut out a chamber and valley to pour lead into (spoon it into actually),and build a heat sink within. So I got to it.
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    Yes the router got away from me some on the left side,but it worked out. That board is 2" thick and there's about 1/2 thick floor of lead in that hole that is 1" deep. The sides are less than 1/4". I figured that was good enough.....I'm not manufacturing these for money lol
    Next I mounted my thermostat
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    Then the lube sizer wired up
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    Went and mounted it back to my table and plugged it in then waited for about 15 minutes
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    Shazam! Easy peazy.
    As I sat there sizing these .452 300gn projectiles,I could hear the thermostat clicking on and off and thought about having a visual reference as well. Got to thinking about a light and thought about looking for some sort of led off of eBay. Then remembered that I had a one room electric heater go belly up on me this last winter and went to retrieve it from my scrap pile. Yes I hang onto some stuff.....for cords and such,my wife says I have "issues"......I have no idea what she's talking about lol
    Bam....visual reference on
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    Off
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    Can't beat that! Lol
     
  14. SubGunFan

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    Ellis....................................... You still Da'Man.

    My Lyman 4500 with built in heater doesn't have a thermostat. You have to unplug and plug in at intervals to maintain proper heat. PITA......

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  15. Ellis93

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    Look for an 110v rv water heater thermostat. It's what I have here,works so far. I'll know if it'll hold up this weekend. I'm casting and sizing as many 220gn 309 projectiles as I can stand lol
     
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  16. Ellis93

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    Update!
    Let it set plugged in for about an hour tonight.....never got more than warm to the touch. Worked like a champ too. No real pressure on the screw and I was filling the grease groves up without gaps.
    Can't beat it!
     
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  17. RedneckRob

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    Truly inspirational ! This ought to be a sticky.