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Hadn't seen anything since I hadn't been on & could find it in a search so was wondering how everyone did.
I passed (barely w/ a 91). Digging through the rules sure helped when I went to shoot but it didn't help my shooting scores.
 

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Congratulations Sid!! WTG!!! Proud of Ya!!! :youdaman:
 

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Thanks Captain.
XD, I had a ton of fun and everyone was very helpfull and made me feel welcome. I am only competing against myself and becoming a better shooter. If you come to the next meet, introduce yourself. I am kind of tall with a straggly beard and will be wearing a whole new setup being a newbie. I'd like to meet everyone and after a few matches and work days I should be able to remember most name, if I call you by a name that is not yours, let me know. I really like the moving from one position to another, I had always shot at multiple targets but from the same position. Even though I passed the test, I know I have a lot of learning to do and pick everyone's mind as well as watching them to get pointers. Hope to see you at the next match or work day.
 

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I was at neck's, I had on the hunters orange jacket. I don't shoot on Sundays but try to make every saturday match I can. I'm glad you had fun, you going to shoot the classic?
 

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So, at least a couple newly minted RO's, huh? Congratulations, and thank you for taking the time and effort to become certified. You'll be assets at any match you shoot, and I look forward to shooting with you and assisting in any way I can, if ever needed. Here are a couple thoughts from my personal experiences, if I may:

Use what you've learned and always be open to adding to it. Like with most things, you'll be more comfortable the more you do it. Don't be afraid to admit you don't know something or that you may be wrong, but also don't be afraid to stick to your guns, so to speak, if you feel like you are right. It's all about safety, primarily, and fair application of the rules so that everyone can enjoy their match experience.

When it comes time for renewal, take the online "short test" within the time frame given. It's not bad compared to what you just took and is not much of a hassle. If you wait too long, you'll have to take the "long test" which is more of a pain. Wait long enough, and you actually have to take the class again.

Lastly, if you have the interest, you can go farther with your certifications. I took the Level II class several years ago and it was pretty good. It is more about stage design and safety while Level I is about running shooters through the stages safely. I've never taken Level III so I can't speak to it. Just depends on what you want to do with it and how far you want to go.
 

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I just joined the range and have not gotten my package so I'm not sure what all shoots they have or what I'm qualified for. I been on gunbroker and a few other sites trying to find a good used 17 but everything is new. Glock says the 34 is ok for IPSC but I don't think so.

'Neck, you did great for turning it in after about 2-3 days. It took me a few more, but I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
 

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Sid, a Glock 34 is fine for USPSA/IPSC, and in some ways might be preferred to a 17 (longer sight radius, already comes with 3.5 lb. connector, etc). The 17L is the only 9mm Glock that can't be used in Production, but it could be used in Limited/Limited 10/Open.
 

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That must be one of the questions I missed. I thought the barrel was to long for production.
You think the 34 is worth the extra money? My advisor, 'Neck, told me the first thing to do was get rid of the glock sites on the 17.
 

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Yeah, Glock actually designed the 34/35 as the "Practical/Tactical" models to fit within "the box", which is defined dimensionally on page 74 of the rules.

It is not a big deal, but I prefer the 34 personally and it would be worth the small amount of extra money for me if it was going to largely be a game gun or if the extra length didn't bother me for any other purposes I might have in mind for it. I like the 3.5lb. connector, but that is admittedly only a $20 part that is easy to install on any Glock. I also like the sight radius, but it is not a big deal one way or another. If you reload, you could probably make power factor with a tiny bit less powder due to the longer barrel, but this is also a minor advantage. For what its worth, the 34 has won more Production Nationals and I'd guess more major matches in Production than any other gun. That's not a bad pedigree.

Unfortunately, the 34 comes with the same sights as on the 17, and I pretty much agree with 'Neck's advice. Stock sights are passable, but lots of good replacement choices and some are pretty inexpensive - Heinie's, Novak's, Dawson, 10-8 tactical, Warren, etc. Better sight picture and more durable.
 

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DBChaffin said:
Yeah, Glock actually designed the 34/35 as the "Practical/Tactical" models to fit within "the box", which is defined dimensionally on page 74 of the rules.
This is where I saw it (had to look at the history on this PC)-

12. Can we use Glock models 34 and 35 in Production Division?

Glock in their own advertising call them "long slides". They are special sporting handguns with a lighter trigger pull (3.5 lbs) and a longer barrel (135mm) out of the box. Maximum barrel length in Production Division is 127 mm (5").

The Production Division does not include special sporting models like the Glock 34 and 35, or the H&K USP Expert, or the Sig Sauer Sport II series if they differ in barrel length from the standard model (Glock 17, Sig Sauer 226, H&K USP).
From http://www.ipsc.org/rulesfaq.htm#PRD, supposedly updated Jan 1, 2010, and Glock's site says the barrel is 135 m.m. also.
Wonder why they have different sites?
 

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Well, first I have to apologize, as you did say "IPSC" above and my answer was based on USPSA because that's the rules the class was taken under and I tend to use the terms almost interchangeably, which is not exactly right.

Although the sport originated in the U.S., somewhere along the way the rules diverged. USPSA is still a part of the international organization and U.S. shooters compete internationally, but they do so under the international rules at those matches.

So, a Glock 34/35 is legal in USPSA Production Division but not legal in IPSC Production Division, so if you ever think you may shoot outside of the U.S., I would recommend the 17. The division rules are actually pretty different across the board. Production guns in IPSC are not limited to 10 rounds, so magazine capacity becomes a big factor. I think this is one reason the CZ has done better internationally (as in having won a couple of world championships but is yet to win a U.S. Nationals) because it has a couple round advantage over the Glock when fully loaded. Also, the first trigger pull in IPSC has to meet a certain weight (5lb. or 5.5lb. I think) while in USPSA this is not the case. A Safe Action pistol like a Glock will have to have all pulls meet this weight, which is another disadvantage internationally. Note that the CZ SP01 Shadow Custom Shop is not legal in IPSC but is legal in USPSA.

It's similar with other Divisions. Limited is called "Standard" in IPSC and the gun must fit in the box with the magazine inserted, so the magazines have less capacity than in the U.S. and 6" guns won't fit. Gear must be worn behind the front portion of the hip, too. Otherwise, these two divisions are pretty similar.

Open and Revolver are nearly identical between the two organizations. In IPSC, there is no Singlestack or Limited 10, as the latter was created entirely due to the Clinton AWB legistlation in the U.S. Instead, there is a Modified Division which is pretty much anything you want, i.e. red dot or compensators, as long as it fits in the "box" with the magazine inserted. This makes for some strange looking guns, like this.
 

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Sid...if you can, find a used Glock 17 or 34...that's the cheap and easy way to go....

Cliff or I know a fella that can take one of those...put a 3.5 connector in it., lighter recoil spring, grip tape and some metal sights and you'll be good to go bro....for a year or so...then you'll wanna upgrade I'm sure... plus 9mm ammo is a lot easier on the wallet than 45ACP

The main reason the sights get changed is because of all the wear and tear drawing the guns out of Bladetech holsters

BTW, I just bought a 34 on here a couple weeks ago....Just changed the sights also...

Sorry for the hijack

Come on mhead....you git your score back?

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'Neck, did your 34 come with adjustable sites? I can't figure out if that is an option or standard.
XD - thanks for that link, they didn't have any but I'll check back from time to time.
Still kicking myself for missing that 17 at Surplus City.
 

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None of the stock Glock sights I've seen are adjustable...cheap plastic...they cannot take the abuse of competition...too much draw and re-holster

Don't forget you need 5 or 6 more Mags as well

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