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a bottleneck sizing die that doesn't require lube?

I hate lubing rifle cases and I know all currently made bottleneck sizing dies require lube but I would be willing to pay a substantial premium for one that doesn't. $100-150 wouldn't be out of the question.

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I might would consider it for a .223 -- that is the only one I load in quanity.
 

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I don't have much experience loading rifle rounds and this may be a bad idea, but have you tried Hornady One Shot aerosol case lube? It can be purchased here as well as most other places reloading supplies are sold. Although there are some negative reviews on that link with bottleneck cases, the majority of the 74 reviews are very positive and it might be at least worth a try if you haven't already.

I read about it some time ago and like to use it on straight-walled pistol cases. Though of course not needed with carbide dies on the straight walled cases, it substantially reduces the handle effort. Not a big deal if I am only loading a hundred or so, but if I am cranking out a big volume I like saving my arm not to mention it would seem to make sense that it makes things easier on the press as well.

It is really easy to apply and doesn't have to be tumbled off afterwards or anything. For bottleneck rifle, I am sure you would want to stand the cases up in a loading tray to spray them, but for straightwalled cases, I just throw a couple of large handfuls of brass on an old towel in a shallow pile, spray them, give the towel a shake to move them around some, and then put them in the casefeeder. It takes just a few seconds and is more than made up for by the smoothness of press operation and less work at the handle. If you load pistol rounds and have never tried it, before you completely blow it off as unnecessary, consider giving it a try. I've seen several people become believers after doing so.

Back to the original topic, if the One Shot doesn't work well enough, I can see a die that doesn't require case lube being worth a premium as you describe. Oh, but I would still probably use One Shot to make it easier! LOL. (No, I don't work for Hornady nor do I make anything off of One Shot sales. It's just a product I really like.)
 

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I really like Dillons case lube, it works alot better than Hornadys One Shot.

But i would also love to have a die that doesnt need it, i load alot of .223, .270, .308, .22-250, .30-06 and others. the Dillon CL seems to last alot longer.

And you can toss it in the tumbler and it only takes 5 minutes and your good to go!
 

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I have tried one shot and it seems like if you don't size the case right away after spraying that the stuff doesn't provide neough lubrication.

I have used a lube die in my progrssive but that is a mess and you can't really go progressive because you have to clean the lube off then trim.

I have found a solution to multiple trimming with the X-die which only requires me to trim once.

I like imperial but it is slow. We can put a man on the moon but we can't find a way to not have to lube bottleneck cases.
 

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Rbelote said:
sizing wax is much nicer than case lube...just wax the neck and your done
Never used it -- I really like imperial -- is the wax that much better?
 

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When you say bottleneck sizeing, do you mean sizeing the neck only or full length sizeing.

If you are talking about neck sizing, then the Lee collet dies will work best, no lube required. This is what I use to reload for my Ruger 22-250. The X-die is a neck sizeing die, I have one for 7mag but never used it.
 
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