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I just got a SOCOM 16 chambered in 308 Win (I guess) it aint marked 308 Win

From what I know its basically a short M1A which was designed to shoot 7.62 Nato

I know the 7.62 nato being a military rd has a thicker case wall...meaning it probably won't hold as much powder....But its basically the same as 308 Winchester

From what I know its safe to shoot both 7.62 Nato and 308 Win ammo in the SOCOM 16

Someone in the know set me straight on when you can shoot which type of ammo....

1. Shoot 7.62 nato in 308 semi like SOCOM 16

2. 308 Winchester ammo in SOCOM 16

3. 7.62 Nato ammo in a 308 Bolt action

Just trying to make sure I got my head screwed on right with this ammo thing....

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msredneck said:
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1. Shoot 7.62 nato in 308 semi like SOCOM 16 YES
2. 308 Winchester ammo in SOCOM 16 YES
3. 7.62 Nato ammo in a 308 Bolt action YES

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Kinda what i thought

so why do we do such things

same issue with 5.56 and 223 rem


Too much confusion

just think if we did it with 45 acp?

Oh No!
 

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I like that socom you got Neck. If you ever decide to get rid of it let me know. I have some experience with them, a friend had one. All I can say is ear protection. I had to double up with plugs and muffs.
 

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If I remember correctly, the .308 has higher pressure than a 7.62 NATO round.

Military ammunition is loaded to maximum average pressure 50,000 PSI using the modern piezo transducer method of measurement. This standard is used to ensure better consistency round to round. It is proofed at 67,000PSI. The ammunition can then be used in a wide variety of firearms with no ill effects.
Look for the NATO compatibility mark. It indicates that the cartridge is safe to use in any 7.62x51mm NATO firearm in good repair.


NATO mark found on the outside of ammunition containers and the bottom of each case rim.
Commercial ammunition has a SAAMI/ANSI maximum pressure of 62,000PSI. While not every manufacturer may load it to this level, this is the industry established maximum. This is also measured using the piezo transducer method. The proof cartridge pressure is 83,000 to 89,000 PSI. Note the differences between the military test and operational standard vs the commercial one.

The worst case scenario for shooters of 7.62 NATO rifles is as follows. Using a commercially made, maximum pressure cartridge with long headspace, fired from a weak action (ex. converted 93/95 Mausers)! The weaker action is a possible final piece of the 308 vs 7.62 NATO puzzle.
Perhaps no single element will cause your rifle to fail. Maybe you've used your rifle for a while with no ill effects. Usually a rifle will take some abuse before failing. Like a lot of things in life, Murphy's Law - If something can go wrong, it will - could very well catch up with you.
Personally, I don't like the odds.
 

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Captain-03 and Slngblade where sure ringing the 200 yard gong with her this afternoon...

we were shooting 7.62 Nato surplus....it seemed to like it just fine

I dig the blast..... :p

I love having 20 rd mags of 7.62 x 51 or 308...lot of firepower in a small package
 

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Thanks for letting me fire off a few 'Neck, really liked that gun. Need to see if Mike Smith is gonna give me commission for selling 3 sub 2000 for him now.
 

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Thanks for letting me fire off a few 'Neck, really liked that gun. Need to see if Mike Smith is gonna give me commission for selling 3 sub 2000 for him now.
Yeah I've pm'ed him

we'll see what He can scare up...I sure liked that keltec sub2000....very handi indeed

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"Group Buy" ought to at least get us a 30 rd mag. :gun:
 

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'Neck, saw some well known mag maker selling 25 or maybe 30 rounds. Be to heavy to carry but may be easier on the spring. It's that company that makes mags for several makes and models.
I agree with Steve, ya'll need to get a free mag after dropping over a $1000 at one buy.
 

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I have never had any issue with the .308 and 7.62x51 interchangeablility. The headspace on the 7.62 is slightly longer than the .308. Not enough to hurt anything.

The .223 - 5.56x47mm is a different story. It is not safe to shoot 5.56mm ammo in a .223 rifle. The bullet ogives are different (especially with 62 gr SS109 ammo) as well as the throat depth. I have a Rock River AR15A2 NM with a Wyld chamber. It is neither a NATO throat or a .223 throat. You must load 90 gr bullets deeper than you do in the NATO chamber.

Doug
 
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