[Subsonix]

Scam sites have exploded lately. I'm compiling a list that will hopefully help you fine folks avoid being ripped off.

Please post any sites you run across and I will add them to the list. Also, if you see a legit site in the list, let me know.

Thanks!

_


1.goldammo.org
209primersammoshop.com
alphaguncenter.com
ammomartusa.com
ammoreloadeder.com
ammoshopofficial.com
ammunitioncamp.com
ammunitionreloaded.com
armoryanchor.com
atozgunsammo.shop
blueknightfirearms.com
bulkgundepot.com
calibrateddefense.com
cci.primer12.com
cci110.com
cciofficialprimers.com
cciprimer.com
cciprimersofficial.com
cheapammostore.com
circoblexfirearms.com
classicammunitionstore.com
coastalfirearmshop.com
crowdstreet-firearms.com
dalesarms.com
dukesfirearms.com
federalprimers.org
federalprimershop.com
fedprimers.com
fflgunshop.com
firearmsdealer.us
firearmsforsales.org
firearmsshop.us
firearmssupplyonline.com
firewavereloads.com
gatewayammunition.com
goldammo.org
gunammo.store
gunbasement.com
gunnersprime.com
gunsexpres.com
gunsprimerstore.com
gunsretailer.com
gunstorerange.com
gunswarehouse.net
gunzdepot.com
hometowngunmart.com
jackreloadingstore.com
kentuckyglockstore.com
kentuckyweapons.com
libertyammunitions.com
matrixstore.shop
maxammodepot.com (this one is exceptionally well done, very tricky, I had them removed from Google maps)
megaammunitionstore.com
midrifleusa.com
midwayweapons.com
midwestfirearmsandarchery.com
onlineammunitionstore.com
power-reloads.com
primer12.com
primersreload.com
primerswarehouse.com
primervalley.com
redwingtactics.com
reloadnshoot.com
reloadersshop.com
reloadersworld.com
reloadingoutdoor.com
sensiflexsupply.com
shootarillusions.com
smallpistolprimer.com
standardglockshop.com
stargunshop.com
surplusmunition.com
tactical-guns.com
tacticalproreloadsandguns.com
thereloadershouse.com
topfirearmssupplies.com
trigermunitions.com
tropicalammo.com
tropicalamory.com
ubertiguns.com
usa-hunter.com
usamorstore.com
weeddyz.com
westelitegun.com
winchesterreloadingprimers.shop
wisconsingunshop.com
yousmartfirearms.com



Ok, this sucks. I regretted starting this almost immediately. There are lots more I can add but, for now, I'm tired of doing this. Although, if it saves one person, it's worth it.

I am seeing patterns that makes me think instead of many scammers, it's just a few people that have many different scam sites running. Some of them are very clever and I would certainly not fault anyone for being fooled, especially with the strong temptation that you might finally be able to get that item you have been hunting. The scammers smartly focus on hard to find items that folks are desperate for. It causes people to take chances that they wouldn't otherwise. I should add a section on how to ID scam sites...

I'm gonna go bathe myself with lye now to try and get some of this slime off me.

 

[Subsonix]

reserved

 

[Gulfport Joe]

This should be a pinned or sticky note thread. Very helpful information. I hope I can contribute and or help you with this as i k ow it will be a lot. On behalf of all of us, thank you for starting this thread.

 

[DEADEYE 1]

Facebook, Amazon, E-bay. There are people on Facebook that are not the person in the picture. Amazon and E-Bay, there are legitimate sellers and there are some not so much. Beware of any site, make sure that your computer has the latest security updates.

 

[Sneaky]

Indicators that a site is a scam are:

• having things in stock that nobody else does
• prices too good to be true
• (this is the big one) requiring payment by venmo, gift cards, or something similar. No option for credit card payment.

If you find primers in stock for $40/1000, and proceed to checkout and are prompted to pay with venmo, it’s a scam 100% of the time.

 

[Daniel L]

Thank you for the list (so far) Anybody heard of, or know anything about Blue Knight Firearms? Nothing showing under basic Scam/Legit check, thanks

 

[Subsonix]

Thank you for the list (so far) Anybody heard of, or know anything about Blue Knight Firearms? Nothing showing under basic Scam/Legit check, thanks

That's a scam site.

 

[CoastGuy]

On several of the larger "nationwide" gun forums, there is a guy who posts a very large and ever-growing DB of these. I get the impression it is a pet project of his? - the handle I've seen is "mike4eva" - so that might be something to get posted on MSGO, too.

 

[oO_Rogue_Oo]

If you buy from little poo-dunk sites you are bound to get scammed at some point. Stick to the major players

 

[George]

Scam sites have exploded lately. I'm compiling a list that will hopefully help you fine folks avoid being ripped off.

Please post any sites you run across and I will add them to the list. Also, if you see a legit site in the list, let me know.

Thanks!

_


1.goldammo.org
209primersammoshop.com
alphaguncenter.com
ammomartusa.com
ammoreloadeder.com
ammoshopofficial.com
ammunitioncamp.com
ammunitionreloaded.com
armoryanchor.com
atozgunsammo.shop
blueknightfirearms.com
bulkgundepot.com
calibrateddefense.com
cci.primer12.com
cci110.com
cciofficialprimers.com
cciprimer.com
cciprimersofficial.com
cheapammostore.com
circoblexfirearms.com
crowdstreet-firearms.com
dalesarms.com
dukesfirearms.com
federalprimers.org
federalprimershop.com
fedprimers.com
fflgunshop.com
firearmsdealer.us
firearmsforsales.org
firearmsshop.us
firearmssupplyonline.com
firewavereloads.com
gatewayammunition.com
goldammo.org
gunammo.store
gunbasement.com
gunnersprime.com
gunsexpres.com
gunsprimerstore.com
gunsretailer.com
gunstorerange.com
gunzdepot.com
hometowngunmart.com
jackreloadingstore.com
kentuckyglockstore.com
kentuckyweapons.com
libertyammunitions.com
matrixstore.shop
maxammodepot.com (this one is exceptionally well done, very tricky, I had them removed from Google maps)
megaammunitionstore.com
midrifleusa.com
midwayweapons.com
midwestfirearmsandarchery.com
onlineammunitionstore.com
power-reloads.com
primer12.com
primersreload.com
primerswarehouse.com
primervalley.com
redwingtactics.com
reloadnshoot.com
reloadersworld.com
reloadingoutdoor.com
sensiflexsupply.com
shootarillusions.com
smallpistolprimer.com
standardglockshop.com
stargunshop.com
surplusmunition.com
tactical-guns.com
tacticalproreloadsandguns.com
thereloadershouse.com
topfirearmssupplies.com
trigermunitions.com
tropicalammo.com
tropicalamory.com
ubertiguns.com
usa-hunter.com
usamorstore.com
weeddyz.com
westelitegun.com
winchesterreloadingprimers.shop
wisconsingunshop.com
yousmartfirearms.com



Ok, this sucks. I regretted starting this almost immediately. There are lots more I can add but, for now, I'm tired of doing this. Although, if it saves one person, it's worth it.

I am seeing patterns that makes me think instead of many scammers, it's just a few people that have many different scam sites running. Some of them are very clever and I would certainly not fault anyone for being fooled, especially with the strong temptation that you might finally be able to get that item you have been hunting. The scammers smartly focus on hard to find items that folks are desperate for. It causes people to take chances that they wouldn't otherwise. I should add a section on how to ID scam sites...

I'm gonna go bathe myself with lye now to try and get some of this slime off me.

It's true that the spammers are getting a lot better at their game.
So far I've been lucky because it's a rare occasion that I try to use a supplier that I haven't used before.

 

[Subsonix]

On several of the larger "nationwide" gun forums, there is a guy who posts a very large and ever-growing DB of these. I get the impression it is a pet project of his? - the handle I've seen is "mike4eva" - so that might be something to get posted on MSGO, too.

I went looking for scam gun websites on purpose - I found 635 of them

I had heard some people saying that there were lots of scam websites with firearm brand names in the urls scamming people. I looked at some of the examples that were mentioned on other forums and started to see some patterns. I decided to use my e-Commerce, Domain and Internet skills to see if...

www.snipershide.com

I had heard some people saying that there were lots of scam websites with firearm brand names in the urls scamming people. I looked at some of the examples that were mentioned on other forums and started to see some patterns.

I decided to use my e-Commerce, Domain and Internet skills to see if I could find more, identify them, help others avoid getting taken and maybe getting these jokers pushed off the internet and maybe convince them to get a real job.

I was expecting to find about 50 to 100 of them.

Long Story Short: I found 635 scam sites that I am 99% certain are scams and online now or recently!

Here is the first page of the list not linked and not in plaintext.

I suggest not giving them free links and even placing their url in plain text might alert them to this post.

Here are some patterns I see in them you should avoid any website or person that:

Payment Patterns They don't want:
Credit Card - Not always true. I think some sites take it then email you saying it failed for an alternate. There are also now offshore credit card processors that resist chargebacks!
In Person Local Pickup (Using COVID as excuse of course)
Mailing a Check/Money Order to the Location they say they are

They want to be Paid Only by:
Zelle - this is supposed to be for friends and has NO Refunds. Not supposed to pay for firearms or parts
Apple Pay - Not sure about refunds here. Not supposed to Pay for Firearms or Parts
Paypal Friends and Family - No Refunds and can get your account banned buying firearms or Parts
Crypto of any Form - No Refund
Venmo - No Refund and Not supposed to be used for firearms or ammo
Prepaid Debit Cards - No Refund
Bank Transfer to a strange name or country - Hard to get Refund
Gift Cards of Any Kind - No Refund

The site Has:
New Domain Registration Check whois start date Free Whois Check Any Website
Anonymous domain registration
Spelling or Grammar Mistakes
Not Complete or shows "Lorem Ipsum" copy.
Hosted in a country that is not where they are located supposedly.
Strange Domain Name Server
Probably Wordpress with Nice Theme
Does not link their real social media accounts.
Does not have many (or any) blog posts
The blog posts and pics are a little too good. Stolen from real sites
Does not have much in the footer
Not that companies main website that is probably decades old at this point.
They are not a authorized dealer listed on the main manufacturer site.
The address might be a real business, it might be fake or it might be just missing.
The phone number may be missing, in another state or even in the correct state.
Bad Reviews on BBB, Reseller Ratings, Google Reviews, or gun forums.

The Prices:
Are a little too good to be true Create Urgency
But might now be realistic - Updated 4/1/2022
Are lower than current market pricing.
You get discounts if you use Crypto. How can they do that?

Their Inventory:
Everything seems to be in stock
You can put 1, 100 or even 1000 of the same thing in your cart
Even rare models that you never see at shops and are only in high-end collections.

Their Shipping:
Often they do not ask about shipping to a FFL
They seem to ship ANYTHING to Cali, Mass, Chicago, and New York
Might offer free or really cheap shipping for rifles and heavy items.
Seems to not have anything to do with size or weight but is a standard cost like $20.

You might think other people are like you and honest. They are not. If you see even some of the above is true DO NOT buy from them. DO NOT let them give you an excuse for anything. They have answers for everything. They are all lies. If you want to mess with them, offer them lower offers, ask for their email contacts for Google Pay, Paypal etc and report them. Mess with them on chat etc. Report them as a scam to their webhosting company. Have fun. A lot of them have chat on their sites and they will answer all hours of the day or night. What real company answers chat at 3am US time?

Here are some important links that I used to create this list:

BBB

Reseller Ratings

FBI Cyber Crime

Report Fraud to FTC if in USA

Most forums have advertisers that are trusted or even participate in the forum. Frequent them.

You can also go to your local gun store/range and hold or even try things before you buy. Pay Cash or Credit Card if you want. Things are coming back in stock, do not be desperate and get scammed.

While researching this story I found fake scams sites listing pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns, ammunition, primers, antiques, airsoft stuff and accessories. With real FFL and manufacturer names in the url. There really is no limit and they know how to research models and that there is limited supply in USA over past 2 years. They can use Wordpress.org code and standardized themes and plugins to have a working site done in a short amount of time. They are using standardized tools to make sites quickly and can just copy a database and move it to a new domain, host or folder on a server as needed. If one site gets bad reviews they move on.

Some of these sites are the names of real companies or FFL holders who are being impersonated. If you know of any sites impersonating real people or using their FFL # on websites please let me know and I will put them at the top of my list to get them taken down.

I have removed about 15 sites doing so while researching this story in the past 2 months. They are in the list still as are some other sites that have been taken down by others.

If scammed most Gratifying is Taking Their Site Down
If you have been scammed or just want something taken down the best way to do that is to report them to their abuse department of the webhost. Usually [email protected]

Just because they are not listed here does not mean they are safe. Also I did not list real companies that just ship slow or don't have real-time inventory on their site.

Caveat Emptor!

Here are the last 4 pages of scammers alphabetized:

 

[Raisin-Cajun]

Scam sites have exploded lately. I'm compiling a list that will hopefully help you fine folks avoid being ripped off.

Please post any sites you run across and I will add them to the list. Also, if you see a legit site in the list, let me know.

Thanks!

_


1.goldammo.org
209primersammoshop.com
alphaguncenter.com
ammomartusa.com
ammoreloadeder.com
ammoshopofficial.com
ammunitioncamp.com
ammunitionreloaded.com
armoryanchor.com
atozgunsammo.shop
blueknightfirearms.com
bulkgundepot.com
calibrateddefense.com
cci.primer12.com
cci110.com
cciofficialprimers.com
cciprimer.com
cciprimersofficial.com
cheapammostore.com
circoblexfirearms.com
classicammunitionstore.com
crowdstreet-firearms.com
dalesarms.com
dukesfirearms.com
federalprimers.org
federalprimershop.com
fedprimers.com
fflgunshop.com
firearmsdealer.us
firearmsforsales.org
firearmsshop.us
firearmssupplyonline.com
firewavereloads.com
gatewayammunition.com
goldammo.org
gunammo.store
gunbasement.com
gunnersprime.com
gunsexpres.com
gunsprimerstore.com
gunsretailer.com
gunstorerange.com
gunswarehouse.net
gunzdepot.com
hometowngunmart.com
jackreloadingstore.com
kentuckyglockstore.com
kentuckyweapons.com
libertyammunitions.com
matrixstore.shop
maxammodepot.com (this one is exceptionally well done, very tricky, I had them removed from Google maps)
megaammunitionstore.com
midrifleusa.com
midwayweapons.com
midwestfirearmsandarchery.com
onlineammunitionstore.com
power-reloads.com
primer12.com
primersreload.com
primerswarehouse.com
primervalley.com
redwingtactics.com
reloadnshoot.com
reloadersworld.com
reloadingoutdoor.com
sensiflexsupply.com
shootarillusions.com
smallpistolprimer.com
standardglockshop.com
stargunshop.com
surplusmunition.com
tactical-guns.com
tacticalproreloadsandguns.com
thereloadershouse.com
topfirearmssupplies.com
trigermunitions.com
tropicalammo.com
tropicalamory.com
ubertiguns.com
usa-hunter.com
usamorstore.com
weeddyz.com
westelitegun.com
winchesterreloadingprimers.shop
wisconsingunshop.com
yousmartfirearms.com



Ok, this sucks. I regretted starting this almost immediately. There are lots more I can add but, for now, I'm tired of doing this. Although, if it saves one person, it's worth it.

I am seeing patterns that makes me think instead of many scammers, it's just a few people that have many different scam sites running. Some of them are very clever and I would certainly not fault anyone for being fooled, especially with the strong temptation that you might finally be able to get that item you have been hunting. The scammers smartly focus on hard to find items that folks are desperate for. It causes people to take chances that they wouldn't otherwise. I should add a section on how to ID scam sites...

I'm gonna go bathe myself with lye now to try and get some of this slime off me.

These people are the lowest of pond scum. They should have evil things done to their person. I’ve been had by a scam and it leaves a terrible taste in your mouth. I have an awful time trying to keep my 94 year old mother safe from them.

 

[PaulBrady]

Ok, this sucks. I regretted starting this almost immediately.

I took over the task and created StopGunScams.com. As of today we have 2324 scam websites reported.

 

[wmw3]

I took over the task and created StopGunScams.com. As of today we have 2324 scam websites reported.

First post...

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

 

[PaulBrady]

To be fair, I am not in the US and my primary interest is not firearms or shooting (although I do shoot game).
I work in internet security and deal with a lot of internet scams. I also have some contacts in the banking sector so there is a possibility that I can shut down some of the scammers payment methods.
I get a lot of submissions from people buying guns and/or ammo as a fair amount of forums promote reporting to us. You can check yourself here "stopgunscams.com" - Google Search

 

[Subsonix]

To be fair, I am not in the US and my primary interest is not firearms or shooting (although I do shoot game).
I work in internet security and deal with a lot of internet scams. I also have some contacts in the banking sector so there is a possibility that I can shut down some of the scammers payment methods.
I get a lot of submissions from people buying guns and/or ammo as a fair amount of forums promote reporting to us. You can check yourself here "stopgunscams.com" - Google Search

We appreciate the work you are doing, Paul. Gun related scam sites have absolutely exploded since 2020.

 

[MLS52]

That's a scam site.

How do you know this about Blue Knight? Have you dealt with them before? When I Googled their website, it did show another different business.
Thanks!!

 

[Subsonix]

How do you know this about Blue Knight? Have you dealt with them before? When I Googled their website, it did show another different business.
Thanks!!

I don't know anything and have never dealt with them, just the normal red flags. However, a BKF actually exists in AZ according to the ATF.

License Number:	9-86-XXX-XX-XX-06260
Expiration Date:	05/01/2025
License Name:	BLUE KNIGHT FIREARMS LLC
Trade Name:
Premise Address:	6903 W FARA DR PINE AZ - 85544
Mailing Address:	PO BOX 1093 PINE AZ - 85544

Place an order and let us know how it works out.

 

[MLS52]

I don't know anything and have never dealt with them, just the normal red flags. However, a BKF actually exists in AZ according to the ATF.

License Number:	9-86-XXX-XX-XX-06260
Expiration Date:	05/01/2025
License Name:	BLUE KNIGHT FIREARMS LLC
Trade Name:
Premise Address:	6903 W FARA DR PINE AZ - 85544
Mailing Address:	PO BOX 1093 PINE AZ - 85544

Place an order and let us know how it works out.

Thanks, Sub! I'll check this out by contacting them directly.