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Read this today:
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PEO Soldier announced yesterday it is aggressively working on an improvement program for the venerable M24 7.62mm sniper rifle.

According to PEO for Soldier weapons Col. Doug Tamilio, the service is taking "some" of its Remington-made M24s and converting them to .300 Win Mag shooters -- which Tamilio says will increase the rifles range beyond its current 800 meters. They're also going to replace the forward stock with a new one that incorporates picatinny rails, replace the current 10x scope with an adjustable one up to 25x that "when we adjust it from 3 power to 25, the reticle inside changes with that" and make the rear stock adjustable for length and cheek weld (so no more foam and duct tape customizations, Joe).

Snipers will also get more shots with the improved M24 since PEO is asking industry to increase the current five shot internal magazine with an external one that holds up to 10 rounds. The improved rifle will also have a flash hider/suppressor that comes standard "so we're going to give them the ability to be harder to detect when they fire the weapon."

Midway through this month, industry respondents are supposed to submit their hardware for the M24 upgrade to PEO for evaluation during the spring for an eventual downselect in the summer.

"And I will start fielding these to our snipers in theater this fall," Tamilio said. "That's pretty aggressive schedule and we are on track to do that."

I know there's been a lot of talk around the 300 Win Mag vs 308 around sniper circles. The Win Mag has a range "on a good day" of 1200 meters but some shooters complain of its abusive recoil that could lead to shooter flinch. The 308 is said to be less abusive but may not reach out to the same distances that the 300 does. I've never shot either, so I have no first hand knowledge, but that's what I hear.
 

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"The improved rifle will also have a flash hider/suppressor that comes standard "

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Isnt the 300 Win Mag what Hatchcock shot when we won the Wimbledon Cup in '65 at the 1000 yard match?
 

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so basically from what they are saying is that the only part to remain the same is "The Receiver and Bolt" everything else will change. WHY retrofit when they can just have a new rifle that already exist. I may have read or interpreted wrong, but it seems that a new rifle build to spec would be better.
 

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I've read this also. But my ? Is how do they get the 300 win mag to fit in the 700 short action? I might be missing something I don't know.
 

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The original specifications (back in the 1980's) called for two bolts for each rifle, one for .308 head size and one in magnum. That is the reason the M24 is built on the long action instead of the short action used by the Marine's M40/A1/A2/A3. That was one of the justifications for the $5,000.00 plus price.

What happened, and why are we paying for this capability again?

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"The improved rifle will also have a flash hider/suppressor that comes standard "

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Isnt the 300 Win Mag what Hatchcock shot when we won the Wimbledon Cup in '65 at the 1000 yard match?
I think it is, but his "normal sniper rifle" was an '06.
 

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Walther introduced a semiauto tensioned barrel sniper rifle a while back, 70s or 80s,(bad when you can't even narrow it down to the decade) in 30 Win Mag.

In the early 80s the MCAGCC at 29 Palms hosted a Sniper competition. I worked the range detail and got tosee a lot of good shooters that week. I saw two of the Walther rifles. I think one of the Isreali teams was shooting the 300 too. I don't remember the platform though. Back then less than a quarter had fiberglass stcoks, most thad wood. Most had Leupold scopes although the winning team, US Secret Service Counter-sniper Team, used Shepard scopes modified to bracket a mansized silhouette instead of a deer. Most of the European teams used sound suppressors.

I wish digital cameras would have been around back then. All of my photos have either been lost to Katrina or faded too bad to see.
 

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Walther introduced a semiauto tensioned barrel sniper rifle a while back, 70s or 80s,(bad when you can't even narrow it down to the decade) in 30 Win Mag.

In the early 80s the MCAGCC at 29 Palms hosted a Sniper competition. I worked the range detail and got tosee a lot of good shooters that week. I saw two of the Walther rifles. I think one of the Isreali teams was shooting the 300 too. I don't remember the platform though. Back then less than a quarter had fiberglass stcoks, most thad wood. Most had Leupold scopes although the winning team, US Secret Service Counter-sniper Team, used Shepard scopes modified to bracket a mansized silhouette instead of a deer. Most of the European teams used sound suppressors.

I wish digital cameras would have been around back then. All of my photos have either been lost to Katrina or faded too bad to see.
Is this the one you had in mind? http://www.snipercentral.com/wa2000.htm

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Ok, I have opinions to insert:

1. as gunone said, why not get new rifles rather than do a 90% retrofit? It would likely cost just as much to do the mods as purchase new.

2. the energy and trajectory is a better for the 300, but IMO the harsh recoil will be a distraction to all but the best snipers and decrease overall accuracy and kills.

3. The whole idea of using non standard ammo is repugnant to most military common sense. Rather than have a club for a weapon while surrounded by mountains of 7.62x51 belts, it would ultimately be better to be able to send them down range instead.

4. I haven't verified it for real, but I've always heard that belted magnums have never been as inherently accurate as non-belted ammo.

5. Why do US snipers need extended effective range beyond 1000 yards? Shooting at that distance, IMO, is simply fun and games, taking pot shots at the enemy. Reliably hitting a man in the chest at that distance in the field, with one shot, though it can be done, is simply not going to commonly happen.

the change makes no sense to me. :confused:
 
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nonnieselman said:
Why not 40,000,000 or at least 38,500,00? I'll never understand the Government,......and I work for them....lol.
Regardless the tin foil hatters will come along soon to tell us all it's to put down civil unrest in the US.
 
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