[msredneck]

First of all....just want to say...I'm not trying to imply that we are even close to its the end of the world as we know it scenario.

But...you'd have to be "brain dead" the last 2 years to not know about the primer shortage for reloaders.

Reasons for this abound...and I still don't "Get" any of them....I can't fathom why Federal, Remington ,CCI and Winchester can't have the plants working 24/7 to crank em out...

and at the current ridiculous prices...Just how much money is one willing to throw at it to keep their stash levels high?...there just can't be that many folks sitting on a couple hundred thousand primers...I aint buying the theory....Not even I would do it....

I can see a "day" possibly where Big Brother puts such a high tax on ammo that it squelches the average person from shooting except in a dire emergency...How much commercial ammo you gonna buy if the current regime says pony up $50 extra for a box of 9mm?....Your Sunday afternoon shoot just went down the drain.

So in the interest of becoming totally self sufficient....I want to investigate how to make my own gun powder and my own primers....eventually making your own rifle and pistol cases might come up but it takes too much high $ equipment I fear to do it.

I've heard of some making gun powder and primers during shortages of WWII but must confess I really don't know much....

So if we can have a discussion here about what the safe possibilities are then lets do it....I have not found that much poking around on the Internet yet....just a theory that punched out primers can be re-stoked with the compounds found in matches

 

[msredneck]

a vid...reckon its legit...U can always believe everything you find on the net....Right[flash=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/v/u7nphPRG6JA" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true[/flash]

 

[Beladran]

6 min to make one primer! ugh

 

[Doug Bowser]

I have anImprovised Munitions handbook. Primers are on Page 297. Email me for an8 Megabite file at [email protected]

 

[msredneck]

At 6 min per it might have to be an end of the world situation eh Beladran? :lol3:

On my God..Is there a "run" on strike anywhere matches now?

Thanks Doug...will send you an email

 

[Beladran]

I think we should all go out and buy some flint locks

 

[Beladran]

if society crumbles im pretty sure strike any where matchs are gonna be rare as hens teeth

 

[captain-03]

I think we should all go out and buy some flint locks

Not a bad idea!! They are fun, too!!

 

[msredneck]

I got one "smoke pole"..not a flinter..an inline Thompson..but it takes a 209 shotshell primer to make it go bang

smoke poles are fun...just a pain to clean...I was kinda thinking about selling mine...its just collecting dust and as long as I can hunt with a 444 Handi during primative weapon..I doubt it will ever get hunted with again...

but I digress....off to WalMart to clean them out of strike anywhere's.... :lol3:

:blah: :blah:

:OT1:

 

[shoeshooter]

Please be discreet, or they'll put up one of those "Limit 6 Only" signs.

 

[captain-03]

How about powder?[youtube]<object style="height: 344px; width: 425px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ozsl4WUklqM"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowscriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ozsl4WUklqM" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptAccess="always" width="425" height="344"></object>[/youtube]

 

[DBChaffin]

I have a copy of the Improvised Munitions manual as well. Got it when I was in the Civil Air Patrol at a military base when I was in junior high or high school. If I ever have to make primers, well..... let's just say I REALLY hope I don't because things will be pretty desperate at that point.

At the Area 6 USPSA match in Atlanta this past weekend, there were several vendors there with primers. One alone had over 1M with him and had a decent price if you didn't mind them being PMC (which are Russian made). I've shot a few and didn't have any problems and have only heard good things, so I picked up 20K. Some say they are more consistent than American primers and will actually handle extremely long term storage better. I mainly just need them to go bang every time and don't plan on storing them, just shooting as I can afford it. Anyone ever tried them?

Prices are up for sure, but are they really up that much more than the price of gas over the same period? I, too, don't understand why Winchester and Federal aren't putting them out 24/7, but then it is supply and demand so maybe they aren't flooding the market for a reason.

 

[captain-03]

Have heard some folks using the PMC and had no problem with them. I have not seen them available anywhere around here .. may I ask, about what are the PMCs going for?

 

[DBChaffin]

Sure, I meant to put it in my post actually. $125 per 5K sleeve is what I paid out the door for PMC SR. It is a decent price from what I have been able to find, but I would love to know if there are better deals out there. Another vendor at the same match had them for $150, but of course probably didn't sell many...

I remember buying Federal LP and SR for $70 per 5K, but that was when I first started reloading in '01/'02 and they slowly but steadily increased until the last I bought were I think $150. That was right before they basically became unavailable for a while. The best price I have seen on Federal SR recently was $200 with Winchester just a bit below that and there weren't many available of either. Wolf were $140 or $145.

 

[quigleysharps4570]

I think we should all go out and buy some flint locks

I'm good to go there...got enough of everything on hand to shoot my little longrifle the rest of my days.

 

[captain-03]

$125 per 5K sounds like a deal!! Wish we could get 'em local for that price ....

 

[Methos]

CORRECTION: "My" copy of the improvised munition handbook clearly says to cut off only the white "tips" of the match head; not the whole match head with wood shards included; and even includes a drawing with arrows. People shouldn't take people's word for it on the net without checking out the documentation.

If you were making primers this slow you'd want them to be as reliable as possible right? Don't know if it truly would make a difference since I have to assume this guy tested his product successfully, but we may as well follow the original recipe eh?

I tried this years ago when I first started reloading just as an experiment. I loaded a .38spl this way and it worked fine the first time.

Strike anywhere's have been removed from most shelves these days; especially from walmart, but I have seen them at hardware stores still. I found some at a hudsons before and I cleaned them all out.