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Ugly ducking I know, at one time I had a full collection of rifles except the 1910 carbine. Since they are still plentiful time to rebuild with the nicest ones I can find.
 

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I prefer the Finn rifles but they are not in good suppy right now. I wrote a book on Finn rifles called "Rifles of the White Death". I also have a 91/30 by Izhevsk and it is in great shape.

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msredneck said:
I may have a Mosin Nagant for sale soon...It never really thrilled me...I'd prefer a Swede 6.5
I want it!!!!!!!
 

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The Nagant was designed to be robust, and stand up to the fact that it would not really be taken care of in the field by most people that it was issued to. While ugly and without the graceful lines of the Mauser, it will go bang each and every time the trigger is pulled. Accuracy as a battle rifle is more than acceptable. Have matching sniper on the way.
 

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Doug may correct me, but I believe that the 7.62x54R is the longest continuing serving military round in in history of the world.
 

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Doug Bowser said:
I prefer the Finn rifles but they are not in good suppy right now.
Doug
Me too! I own a "couple" of Russian Nagants but they pale in comparison to the Finnish Nagants. If you appreciate fit, finish, and accuracy, the Finnish M-39s are worth the extra money over the Russian variants.

I don't know about the condition, but SOG's Finnish M-39 prices seem decent. I've purchased other C&R guns from them in the past and been very pleased with condition. http://www.southernohiogun.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?q=c%26r&x=24&y=10&p=6

Here's where the Finned nagants are hiding. I bought a beautiful M-39 from Pat Burns and I've seen a couple of other guns she's sold here in town. Everyone feels the descriptions are conservative and you get more gun than you paid for. Prices are a bit on the high side but the inventory changes every few weeks so you'll eventually find what you're looking for at a price that suits you. Nice collection of antique M-39s which don't require any sort of licence to be shipped directly to your front door.
http://www.gunsnammo.com/

This photo represents about half of my Nagant collection. Hex receivers, laminated stocks, former Dragoons, etc., etc., etc. Yeah, I like 'em.
 

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I have a M44 that I bought recently as my first gun purchase. Manufactured in 1944 at Izhevsk with all matching serials. Love it! I've put 50 rounds down the pipe and no duds yet. Love the looks you get at the range when someones shooting an AR-15 going "pew pew pew" and the Nagant shooting a fireball going "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!"
 

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Here's where the Finned nagants are hiding. I bought a beautiful M-39 from Pat Burns and I've seen a couple of other guns she's sold here in town. Everyone feels the descriptions are conservative and you get more gun than you paid for. Prices are a bit on the high side but the inventory changes every few weeks so you'll eventually find what you're looking for at a price that suits you. Nice collection of antique M-39s which don't require any sort of licence to be shipped directly to your front door.
http://www.gunsnammo.com/
Great link, thanks. Question for anyone, if you wanted to start a collection of, say, three guns from this site, which three would you choose. (cheaper is always nice :p )
 

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I was at the Pawnshop near Florence today and they had three. One was a Carbine, 229 dollars. One I looked at the guy gave me these details:
Russian Manufacture
Manufacture Year 1956
All matching numbers
Has bayonet
Never fired
He was asking $549. I think thats too much, of course I dont know much about Mosin Nagants.
 

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Never fired? very very seriously doubt that. Most of those guns have been refurbed at least once, my m44 has been. Sounds like it might be the guy at the last gun show trying to sell Hammer a garand from ww1. It really bothers me what dealers tell people to sell guns.
 

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In my 30 years of doing this I have only seen one unfired Nagant, it was a Remington not delivered still packed in grease. As indicated almost all have been through an arsonal
 

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20 years from now everyone will be mad that 91-30's are 250-350
No kidding...

I remember when you buy these for $25 in late 70's - 80's...They'd be sitting in a barrel at the gun store...

Should have bought a load of em....

I guess I should get a M44 carbine to go along with my 91/30

In my opinion the 8mm mausers are more accurate....but that's just me...
I dunno what the deal is with 7.62x54 but it sure seems to hit hard...might be the butt plate on these rifles....I'd just as soon shoot my my 300...if I need some "pain" :lol3:
 

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I never ever took the time to hand load one to actually see what kind of accuracy you can get. I plan to do that with my 39 this time.
 

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Doug may correct me, but I believe that the 7.62x54R is the longest continuing serving military round in in history of the world.
Not only the round but the Moisin Nagant action is used by Finland in their Sniper Rifle.

The Russians use the Druganov Sniper rifle and the round is also used in the Degetrev Machine gun.

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Went to the Gunshow looking for nagants yesterday, found one 44 for 500, quite a bit of Japanese stuff. pic the good ones while you can
 

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Respectfully Doug... The Finns haven't used the 7.62x54R in a couple of decades. The Sako TRG-21/22 in either Nato standard 7.62x51 or .338 Lapua is their precession/sniper rifle of choice.


When Finland's military began trying to modify Tsaristera Mosin-Nagant actions into modem sniper rifles in the 1980s, Sako felt it was a dead-end street. The designers at Sako were well-aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the Russian Mosin-Nagant action. After all, the company's origins reached buck to 1919 when a government-owned repair shop was established for the Civil Guard in an old brewery in Helsinki. It was here, repairing M1891 Mosin-Nagant rifles, that Sako was born. As the years passed, the company grew, and eventually the arsenal was moved north of the capital to Riihimaki in 1927. That same year, it became a limited liability company under the name "Suojeluskuntain Ase- ja Konepaja Osakeyhtio" (Civil Guard Arms & Machine-shop Co. Ltd.), better known simply as SAKO (pronounced sock-O). SAKO produced rifles for the Finish Army during the Winter War of 1939-1940 and the Continuation War of 194 1-1944 with the Soviet Union. As a result, the company learned quite a bit about the needs of snipers.

Sako's engineers knew that simply adding a heavy match barrel, synthetic pistol grip stock with adjustable comb, bipod, silencer, and modern optics to a Mosin wouldn't turn it into a world-class sniper rifle. The engineers knew, that the action was the heart of any rifle and felt that they could, do much better. This desire to build the best led to the creation of one of the finest sniper rifles ever fielded, the Sako TRG-21.
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn22-e.htm

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The pan drum fed Degetrev machinegun, (DP-28) hasn't been a front line weapon for fifty years. I have a local friend who owns a transferable example... neat gun but too many shortcomings.


The PK series of beltfed weapons is now seen worldwide and frequently on the nightly news from the sand box. It's a very robust and superb GP machine gun used by many unfriendly countries. I like them a lot and have run a number of belts in a post sample example. The PKM belt loader is a thing of absolute beauty! It's almost as much fun to link metallic belts as it is to shoot them. I'd own one if there were any transferable examples in the NFA registry. The 7.62x54r conversion is also very popular in 1919s, Maxims, and Vickers crew served guns due to the low cost of the ammo.


The 7.62x54r is a great old caliber that will be around for many decades to come.
 
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