[DEADEYE 1]

A friend called me Wednesday night and told me I should watch the segment on MSNBC. I don,t usually watch that network but I switched over and watched it. It was about accidental discharging of the Remington 700. I am a big Remington fan but I watched it to learn. What is your take on this?
I told my friend who is also a gun nut, that if there was a problem in the design that Remington should have changed it. But that triggers should not be adjusted too low and that guns should always be pointed in a safe direction. I own 2 Remington 700s, one for over 30 years with no problems. I bought another 700 this year that was used. The trigger was adjusted around 2 pounds and could be made to slam fire when closing the bolt. I raised the trigger pull to 4 pounds and I could not make it slam fire. I put the gun up and have not checked it since but I plan on testing it again before I hunt with it. The friend that I bought it from said that a gunsmith had adjusted the trigger before he sold it to me. I don,t blame Remington for this. Also this is a liberal network, and I would not be surprised if there is some anti-gun sentiment behind the segment. Be careful this fall and winter in the woods.

 

[Doug Bowser]

I don't like trigger block safeties. safeties on the Mauser style, 1903, Mod 70 Win, M1, M11A and AR15 hold back the firing mechanism.

On the other hand what are the BOZOS doing pointing firearms at things they don't want to shoot at/

Doug

 

[jbpmidas]

No problem with mine. I did a DIY trigger job and I believe it is around 2 lbs. However, I never point at anything I can't live with a hole in.

 

[DEADEYE 1]

I agree,I did not have gun safety in school. But from the time that I was able to tote a gun, my Dad and Uncle taught me to always point the gun in a safe direction. I have heard of gun safety accidents when the gun was not supposed to be loaded.Just like Skil saws and axes, guns have to be respected and used safely.

 

[Guest]

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2010/10/petzal-different-look-remington-model-700-trigger

This is David Petzal's response to the CNBC sgment. Very good read.

 

[Caleb C]

Well said Mr. Petzal. 10 months of MSNBC investigating seems lacking when you compare 40 years worth of Marine Corps. testing.

 

[pmeisel]

There's been quite a lot published on the Remington trigger over the years. Somehow, CNBC turned up documents that indicated that engineering recommended changes and the corporate management declined to make them, plus got an interview with Mike Walker that seems to indicate corporate misfeasance.

In the business world, that's a story. And at the same time there has been some recent turnover in Remington management. Related or not, hard to say. But it's all bad PR juju. Not much of a story to gun people maybe, but a big business story, and that's what they do.

 

[tek500]

I WISH I COULD GET MY HANDS ON A BOX FULL OF THOSE OLD TRIGGERS THEY ARE REPLACING. I could use them to replace the x mark pro triggers they are now using. I could make the old triggers nice. The new ones won't even compare to the older ones in my opinion. I worked on a bunch of the old ones and even would modify the safetys to like the newer safetys where the bolt could be worked without disengaging the safety for unloading the rifles especially the 700 adl's without the floorplates. you could respring the triggers and adjust the sear engagement and get a fine trigger pull.

In my opinion the x mark pro trigger is garbage and I have replaced most of mine with the timney triggers.

 

[suberjc]

... In my opinion the x mark pro trigger is garbage and I have replaced most of mine with the timney triggers.

Probably so TEK. The problem is that the same quality of management decision that affected the quality of their triggers may well be employed in other areas of the 700. For literally years, I wouldn't own anything but a 700 or a Mauser bolt. Now I'm a Savage bigot. I don't know for sure but since the trigger fiasco I'm kind of afraid of the new ones. My gunsmith likes Remington better'n snuff still and I certainly do not know more than my gunsmith but I've just had such excellent luck with Savages. I even shoot the Target accutrigger in matches. Seems to work.

 

[Sum Gy Custom Firearms]

the 2 biggest banes to remington triggers are idiots and over lubrication

 

[Sum Gy Custom Firearms]

Typical liberal sociaty never my fault always someone elses

 

[MrGoodtime]

I have no problem with the x mark trigger in my sendero, very nice.

 

[suberjc]

Well, you couldn't exactly say I'm liberal or typical for that matter, I'm way too fat. I do understand errant perceptions though. I've heard some folks say they don't like Savage target accu - triggers and yet I've seen folks clean multiple 600 yard matches with them.
I dunno I can tell you this when I miss the 10 ring it ain't the triggers fault. See there, I am conservative - and I'm still afraid of Remington's management policies - not because of anything some talking head said but because I know how business aquisitions work.
I'm even watching and listening closely to Savage right now. I understand they were acquired not too long ago. I have three Savage target action match guns - albeit highly modified by Alton Britt, they haven't let me down an inch yet. Still I'm watchful.

 

[Sum Gy Custom Firearms]

I agree that the big conglomerates have screwed up all of them to some extent or another and wouldn't buy a new anything right now unless I knew a good gunsmith to take it to and have it gone over. and I haven't bought factory ammo in many years for the same reason Just heard of another brand new rifle a tikka being blown up last week by factory ammo and that has been atleast 6 that I know of in the last year

 

[suberjc]

I agree that the big conglomerates have screwed up all of them to some extent or another and wouldn't buy a new anything right now unless I knew a good gunsmith to take it to and have it gone over. and I haven't bought factory ammo in many years for the same reason Just heard of another brand new rifle a tikka being blown up last week by factory ammo and that has been atleast 6 that I know of in the last year

You mean there's a factory where they make bullets? Why? They don't know what chamber I shoot or how much the throats eroded. They dont know my starting freebore or how much seating pressure it takes for a round to be match acceptable.
Nah! Factory bullets must be a rumor.

 

[Sum Gy Custom Firearms]

HUH???????????? I didn't know I had said anything about bullets just loaded ammo?:hmm:

 

[idriller]

Ive never owned but one remington rifle (auto), But I have a Ruger M77MKll that is awesome, its the old boat paddle stock. I had a trigger job and had a nice recoil pad installed. It will shoot 1 MOA groups at a 100 yards with handloads. I also have a M70 supergrade, I considerate it the cadillac of bolt guns, The action and trigger are smooth as butter. As far as Remingtons, after some of the stuff they did when all the gun ban stuff got passed Im not sure if I would ever want one.

 

[suberjc]

HUH???????????? I didn't know I had said anything about bullets just loaded ammo?:hmm:

Oops! Sorry a 30 year old colloquialism. I meant to say BURRETS. LOL

 

[Sum Gy Custom Firearms]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!