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In the past few years, I have seen a lot of firearms that show a decrease of quality in manufacture.

Our gun club bought four Ruger Mark III 5.5" blued target pistols. One pistol would not fire. One of the 8 magazines would not accept more than 2 cartridges.The other three would double load, almost every magazine load. This means the empty coming out of the chamber strikes the top of the magazine and is released from the extractor before hitting the ejector. Then the fresh cartridge pushes the empty case against the top of the receiver and you have a jam. I have been training Louisiana 4H shooters in .22 rf Pistol and during the live fire part of the training, many of the Ruger Mark III pistols have the double loading problem. Another problem is the 5 to 7 pound trigger pull and the after travel or backlash adjustment of the trigger. One of the Mark III pistols had a trigger pull so hard, that I looked at the safety to see if it wereon safe. All these problems are solveable but why should they be there in the first place. I have performed over 40 Ruger Mark III trigger jobs and magazine fixes in the last year.

A revolver I was dissapointed in, was a S&W hammerless Lightweight in .38 spl. I took off the sideplate and I was shocked. The hammer is a crude looking casting. The double action sear is not pinned to the hammer. It fits into a slot in the hammer and the one I looked at appeared to be nylon or plastic. The inside of the frame was very rough and all the internal parts were as well. This is why the fellow brought the revolver to me, the trigger pull was Horrible. After the parts were smoothed out and the interior of the frame polished, the trigger pull was improved. Another thing I noticed was, there was no lubricant inside the revolver.

I am going to be very selective on what I buy in handguns in the future. I don't think I am interested in very many new firearms offered these days. If I were to buy another revolver it would have to be a S&W with a pinned barrel, dating from before 1980. The Ruger Mark III pistols are still well made but need tweaking to get optimum performance. I would rather have a good used Mark II Ruger .22 auto than a new Mark III. If you have a Ruger Mark III that functions well and has an acceptable trigger, you are fortunate.

I am afraid that many of our arms manufacturers are listening to the bean counters instead of trying to uphold the quality that the industry has been famous for. We should all remember what Winchester did to their firearms line in 1964. The quality went out the window and their business has not been as successful as it was before 1964.

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I read a very good article that I found linked at another forum that spoke to QC issues with modern "big brand name" manufacturers. I was surprised and saddened to see that there are so many QC issues with new guns made by even the most venerable names in firearms.

The article starts off talking about primers and failures to fire, but it goes on to discuss basic QC issues and how factories address them.

[url=http://www.shootersjournal.com/Features/Haps/ItDidn'tGoBang.pdf:n42nkpdi]http://www.shootersjournal.com/Features/Haps/ItDidn'tGoBang.pdf[/url][/url]
 

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I read a very good article that I found linked at another forum that spoke to QC issues with modern "big brand name" manufacturers. I was surprised and saddened to see that there are so many QC issues with new guns made by even the most venerable names in firearms.

The article starts off talking about primers and failures to fire, but it goes on to discuss basic QC issues and how factories address them.
 

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Everyone is in too big a hurry these days...no time to do it right the 1st time....a very short term mentality is prevalent in everything these days...especially in business.....

I remember the good old days when Colt was King and the python was a true thing of beauty...These days Colt is barely on the radar

No doubt their Management "knows" better than we do...If I could get my hands on some old Colt Single Action Revolvers...The pre-ban AR's and some pythons and of course those 1911's...I'd take out a 2nd on the house!

The story on Winchester is just as bad.

Great post as always Doug
 

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Doug -- thanks for the post ... I am in the market - well, I was in the market for a new Ruger Mark III!! Guess, I really need to be re-think the purchase and see what else is out there ....

I am looking for an accuarate 22 target pistol that I can scope to use to punch paper and would also like to give it a try while squirrel hunting (just to add a little more exitement to the hunt!!).

Any good recommendations?
 
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Everybody these days creates a Monday morning product every now and then do to increased demand. Our population has gorwn not declined. My mark 3 runs like a top, and I mistreat the heck out of it. Ill run hundreds of rounds through it between cleanings.

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Doug -- thanks for the post ... I am in the market - well, I was in the market for a new Ruger Mark III!! Guess, I really need to be re-think the purchase and see what else is out there ....

I am looking for an accuarate 22 target pistol that I can scope to use to punch paper and would also like to give it a try while squirrel hunting (just to add a little more exitement to the hunt!!).

Any good recommendations?
 

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What would you recomend for a good 22 semi auto pistol. Your Women on Target program has my wife intrested in shoothing pistols. Was thinking about another S&W 422, I have one now. They are hard to find though.
 

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What would you recomend for a good 22 semi auto pistol. Your Women on Target program has my wife intrested in shoothing pistols. Was thinking about another S&W 422, I have one now. They are hard to find though.
I would look for a good used Mark II Ruger with a 5.5" bull barrel. The MarkIII pistols can be made into a good shooter. Some are Ok out of the box. The Mark II is simpler and has fewer parts and it seems less problems with the magazines.

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Everybody these days creates a Monday morning product every now and then do to increased demand. Our population has gorwn not declined. My mark 3 runs like a top, and I mistreat the heck out of it. Ill run hundreds of rounds through it between cleanings.

Rbelote,
I did say that not all of the Mark III pistols malfunctioned. There is a trigger backlash stop on the MarkII and III series. It is never set at the factory. What I think is the problem is, there is little hand fitting anymore.

I had a Parrish 4H group in Louisiana that had 5 Mark III 5,5" steel framed pistols and all 5 of them malfunctioned by the double loading problem I described in my original post. I fixed the magazines and they work fine. Some of the polymer framed Mark III pistols would drop the magazine when fired and malfunction.

I am happy you have a Mark III that works. In my 4H training, I see a lot of pistols and I have seen problems with the Mark III's.

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I have a Ruger Mark II that has had at least 10K rounds through it....I have never cleaned it..beyond running a little boresnake through it...I know its abuse....It eats everything and shoots accurate enough.

Get one...U like
 
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