You mean the bullpup 7.62x51 that can't be found on a dealer's shelf? It's been what, over three years and you'll never see a Kel Tec RFB for sale anywhere except Gunbroker for about twice suggested retail price. I like the ATAS looks of the new shotgun, but won't hold my breath on this KT offering to hit the shelves much before three to five years. Their track record for production isn't exactly stellar.mikey67 said:A little over 26" OAL. Similar to their bullpup style rifle.