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One of the weirdest cases I have seen, even the cops thought it was strange and took some time to figure it out. Five people screwed up and attacked the wrong person. Just a post on what I think is an interesting ongoing story.

Sequence of events. (As I understand them) But you really need to watch the videos.

Guy's wife leaves him and starts dating this Muslim guy. (Him being Muslim is pertinent to the story) Wife's teenage son, who talks like in inner city gang member, spends a lot of time threatening the Muslim guy on Facebook. Muslim guy was born in North Carolina and has been self employed in the Construction business in Ohio for 43 years.

Teenage son and his friends have been to Muslim guys house two or three times threatening. They have had him arrested in his House on false charges. Charges were thrown out and in the cases not thrown out Muslim guy won.

They get into an argument on Facebook and the kid begins threatening the guy. He tells them to come on over. Then one of the teenage sons teenage friends jumps into the conversations and asks the guy what his address is and he tells them to "Come on over, and beep the horn when you get here". They had been threatening the Muslim guy with gang violence.

One of the other kids involved 43 year old mother drives over, takes the other womans son and his friends and one of the 16 year old kids goes along for the gang attack in pajamas.

The Muslim guy comes out and they beat him up on his property, break his arm. He goes inside and grabs a 9mm and comes out and empties 15 rounds into the Van. 43 year old woman driver gets shot in the head, arms, legs and chest. Still living. One of the boys is shot and dies on the way to the Hospital. The other three are shot. Magazine empty Muslim guy goes back into the House and grabs another magazine and comes back out as the EMT arrives.

EMT walks up and asks what happened. Thinks it is a car crash. Muslim guy tells the EMT "Ill show you what happened" and racks the slide and fires more rounds into the 43 year old woman driving. (All this time the mother, boyfriend of the Muslim, is in the House). EMT hops in the ambulance and drives down the street, parks the van and takes off running.

Two of the passengers, bloody and shot, take off running down the street. Muslim guy opens fire on them as they are running away. 43 year old woman, in the driver's seat, son gets out and walks up to the Muslim guy and screams "You shot my mother you mother ____". Muslim guy shoots the kid three more times while he is trying to escape into the van (Where more than likely he would have been shot anyway).

The Prosecutor initially tried to say there was no fight. But the woman's husband (And Muslim guys girlfriend) even said there was (It's in one of these videos), Facebook conversations showed they went over there specifically to attack him. Police records show they have dumped trash on his front yard, harassed him, attempted to beat him up, had him unjustly arrested and have constantly been making threats to him on Facebook.

Because he FAR FAR exceeded what was allowed in Ohio's (Or anywhere) Castle Doctrine, he is charged with two counts of aggravated homicide and three counts of attempted aggravated homicide. Facing the death penalty. In court (And in the videos) he asks the Prosecutor if he's a Jew. Reason being the Prosecutor threatened his son. Looked it up, he did. The son came to the courthouse to support his father and the Prosecutor told him unless he was going to testify he should leave because he had no business in the Courthouse. That led to an altercation.

The Prosecutor said there were no guns in the van. But some witnesses saw at least one gun. No guns were found and the Prosecutor said the Muslim guy said he did not see a gun. The Muslim guy said that's a lie he saw guns and knives.

The Muslim guy is using the anti Muslim thing. But also his Christian friends and race (something about white people being anti Muslim), and of course the Prosecutor being a Jew. Muslim guy also said he has powerful attorneys and would give the Prosecutor more publicity than he could handle (And that's also in the videos), and he does.

Anti Muslim, Jewish Zionism (I saw one of the reporters had to look up what Zionism actually was), Pro Christian, race, the guy is facing the death penalty. That's the current climate, so apparently he is using it. He also has quite a bit of support from his white neighbors saying the man has been constantly harassed and 2A supporters who completely disagree with what he did but some saying come to their house to gang assault them and expect the same thing.

The other thing is that the three survivors, one is in critical condition and nearly bled out, will not face any charges. Big point for the criminal defense attorney representing him.

The husband (Also in the videos) seems more like "The guy caught in the middle". Neighbors said his wife was playing him, came back to him three times, got his money then left back to the Muslim guy all three times.

They threatened the guy, then went to his house and carried out the threat. Guy had "had enough" and shot them up. Of course his best course of action once he retreated into the house would have been not to come back out with a gun, but then how long would the harassment have continued?

It's an really screwed up case/incident but the Muslim guy, according to his neighbors, is really a roughneck and a redneck who happens to have been born a Muslim. Watch the video and you can see what they are talking about.

Four videos, "Hamad confronts Prosecutors in court", "Father who seems like he's caught in the middle", "Attorney who stood in for arraignment, he stood his ground, case of self defense", "Father asking why he didnt just stay in the house, why empty two clips into "babies" (Those "babies" went to his house to assault and broke the guys arm, and a 43 year old woman drove them there to do it). His idiot son is also in the video.

Howland murder suspect confronts prosecutor during hearing

Cops trying to figure out what happened and who was in the van. This happened a couple of weeks ago, they know what happened now. They have screen shots of all the Facebook posts.

Prosecutors: Social media feud prompted Howland shooting
 

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He may win his case. Ohio had Castle Doctrine, Home, Car, Business, otherwise "duty to retreat". In 2013 they removed "Duty to Retreat" and added Stand your Ground.

"The stand-your-ground provision would eliminate Ohio's law requiring a person to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense. Under current Ohio law, residents have no duty to retreat only when they are in their homes, cars, or the vehicles of immediate family members – a so-called “castle doctrine.”

State Rep. Terry Johnson, a Republican from McDermott, said removing the duty to retreat affirms Ohioans’ natural right to self-defense and would benefit victims of violent crime."

The problem, Ohio has the highest level of "Burden of Proof" of any State. "In 49 of our 50 states the state has the 'burden of proof' in a self defense case. The state has to prove it was not self defense. In Ohio you can defend yourself but if you get arrested you have to prove it was self defense or it remains assault or murder. Unfortunately only in Ohio is the 'burden of proof' on the person who defended themselves. If you kill in self defense in Ohio and the Prosecutor decides to file murder charges against you, it's not that you can't defend yourself or that it's impossible to do so, but you have to produce proof during your trial that it was self defense."
 

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Screwy set of circumstances. They shouldn't have been attacking him, and if he defended himself immediately he might have been OK; but, he retreated to his house and then went on the offense...the court is probably going to put him away. Only hope they arrest and put away the attackers also.
 

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Yeah he retreated inside and came back out! Was kinda rooting for the guy until he emptied the second mag.
That's one for the books!
 

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I can't watch vids. I want to see the girlfriend. if she not smokin' hot this guys a moron. should have takin' the whole lot to springer !

on a side note which 9mm :)
 

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He retreated to safety then returned to the danger. Not only that he emptied a second mag after he stopped the threat. I understand what he did but think he step over the line.
 

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That takes a lot of thinking to read all that convuluted mess. I rule that none of the participants ever had all their grits fully cooked. They should all have to serve jail time in the same prison cell in Mexico.
 

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If ever there was a cluster f*** this IS one, and there
are NO innocents here from what I saw.....total mess.
I sure don't envy the LEOs and prosecutors and even
the defense attorneys the daunting task of trying to
sort this one out.:groan:
 
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