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Someone needs to make that gun with a removable magazine. 10 round?
 

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I had a WP ("Witness Protection") 870 back in the 1980s B.C. (Before Children) that was an AOW on a $5 tax stamp, about a 10" barrel, screw-in extra full choke, parkerized; same rear stock but made of wood and a wood fore end. Wish I could find it & buy it back. But this will do. As it is now I'm on several dealers' "call me" list to find a Mossberg, would prefer the Remington but wondering what availability will be, when distribution will actually begin. Any dealers on here know?
 

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I'm on several dealers' "call me" list to find a Mossberg
There was a Mossberg on Armslist for Gulfport/Biloxi earlier this week for $400, but it didn't last a day.
 

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I had a WP ("Witness Protection") 870 back in the 1980s B.C. (Before Children) that was an AOW on a $5 tax stamp, about a 10" barrel, screw-in extra full choke, parkerized; same rear stock but made of wood and a wood fore end. Wish I could find it & buy it back. But this will do. As it is now I'm on several dealers' "call me" list to find a Mossberg, would prefer the Remington but wondering what availability will be, when distribution will actually begin. Any dealers on here know?
Go with the mossberg, remingtons quality if you can even call it that anymore is spotty at best now
 

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There was a Mossberg on Armslist for Gulfport/Biloxi earlier this week for $400, but it didn't last a day.
I've been contacted by a dealer up in Brandon who has (had?) one too but can't drive that far, especially on a w*rk day. And this time of year weekends are w*rk days too. Put the cucumbers, squash, and sunflowers (seed for the cardinal flock) in the garden today, mowed till I couldn't, cut privet hedge - known around here as "a pestilence sent by GOD" - so a drive up north to Brandon was out of the question. Besides it's probably already sold, haven't talked to dealer in a week or more.
 

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Go with the mossberg, remingtons quality if you can even call it that anymore is spotty at best now
I don't like Mossberg's safety location or construction, but know how to fix it and have done a lot of my own work on Remington 870s as well, but I do agree that Remington QC is a joke nowadays, mostly with the finish / coating. I'd probably duracoat one if I did go with Remington. My current Rem 870 Express, a 2000s model AFAIK, that I made into a HD shotgun with extended mag, tritium sights, etc. has to be wiped down regularly with oil just to keep the lousy finish from turning to rust. Need to duracoat it as well.
 

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Don't think I would try some of Subguns rounds in a pistol grip
I don't like pistol grips on a shotgun at all, but the aforementioned WP870 I had back in the 1980s BC had that straighter grip that looked like a modified regular stock only cut off & belled or flared a bit, since it is inline there is none of the recoil stress on the wrist like with a pistol grip. When the WP870 was sold that grip was referred to as a "baseball bat" grip. It is a huge improvement over pistol grip shotguns, there's a reason both Mossberg AND Remington went with this design, makes recoil much less punishing even with full-power loads.
 
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there's a reason both Mossberg AND Remington went with this design,
Also because it adds length (compared to a PISTOL grip). Necessary to help meet the 26" OAL minimum when dealing with a 14" barrel.
 

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I am definitely buying one of these two to carry in the Truck. Currently I carry a Winchester SXP Defender in the truck. I think one of these is a better option. I was going to replace it with a Stoeger Coach Gun. I'm just looking for something smaller. So I'm waiting on all the reasons one is better than the other since the Remington just debuted. Price wise it doesnt make much difference. Except with a $443 MSRP the Remington may end up being cheaper.
 

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I am definitely buying one of these two to carry in the Truck. Currently I carry a Winchester SXP Defender in the truck. I think one of these is a better option. I was going to replace it with a Stoeger Coach Gun. I'm just looking for something smaller. So I'm waiting on all the reasons one is better than the other since the Remington just debuted. Price wise it doesnt make much difference. Except with a $443 MSRP the Remington may end up being cheaper.
The dealers I have fishing for the Mossberg (with all their distributors) all quoted me $399 for the Mossberg. Just waiting to see who finds me one first.
 

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The dealers I have fishing for the Mossberg (with all their distributors) all quoted me $399 for the Mossberg. Just waiting to see who finds me one first.
Yep, I was looking on Gunbroker. There are some available on there, with BIN prices. $430 and up. By the time I pay nic fee (Tn $10), transfer fee, shipping, i'd already be looking at $525 for a $400 Gun. I noticed both MSRP's are about the same. Buying either one would probably save me $5-$10 over the other.
 

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Remington a new and novel idea for a real piece of crap gun with quality so low they fail to work half the time!!! But it is new and cool so people will buy it regardless of quality and reliability just so they can say they have the latest cool thing!! :(
 

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Does anyone know if the grip can be changed to a brace? Hickok45 mentioned in his video that they couldn't be modified without going AOW.
 

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Does anyone know if the grip can be changed to a brace? Hickok45 mentioned in his video that they couldn't be modified without going AOW.
I wouldn't think so, it would likely require a decision letter from atf to officially clarify and that would probably cause a lot of hassle down the road for brace users. Not to mention that it would would be really hard to control since there would be no way to really grip it then
 

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I wouldn't think so, it would likely require a decision letter from atf to officially clarify and that would probably cause a lot of hassle down the road for brace users. Not to mention that it would would be really hard to control since there would be no way to really grip it then
ATF announced last week everyone can legally shoulder their braces again.
 

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It's a 2 handed weapon! One to pull the trigger and the other to pump. Why put a brace on it?
 

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It's a 2 handed weapon! One to pull the trigger and the other to pump. Why put a brace on it?
???? Not sure I understand your thought train.

This is a 14" barreled 12 gauge firearm. If one could mount a brace, since the ATF states braces can be shouldered again, (without changing the category of the firearm) then one wouldn't have to file for a tax stamp or wait on the stamp to clear in order to have a 14" barreled 12 gauge firearm with "stock".
 
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