Discussion in 'Round Table' started by John Daughtry, May 22, 2020.

  1. John Daughtry

    John Daughtry Para Bellum

    We were at Sam's earlier, WTH is with the toilet paper and paper towel shortage still? Really? How much can people hoard, geez Louise?
  2. Ellis93

    Ellis93 Distinguished Poster MSGO Supporter

    You should go buy some lumber right now.........

  3. John Daughtry

    John Daughtry Para Bellum

    Roger that one...
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  4. rigrat

    rigrat μολὼν λαβέ

    Is it people buying it all up or is it the manufactures not supplying it to the stores?
  5. rigrat

    rigrat μολὼν λαβέ

    I'm not looking forward to that as I need decking boards and trailer floor boards.
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  6. John Daughtry

    John Daughtry Para Bellum

    Good question!
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  7. senilking

    senilking Distinguished Poster

    I honestly thought it was just a transport problem and they had plenty in storage somewhere, but apparently a lot of big stores don't work like that anymore. I'm sure manufacturers are reluctant to invest in new production lines since the demand after will be the same as before and possibly even lower since peiple have stocked up.

    A lot of seed places are still a month or two behind on shipping, but I did notice that Lowes had plenty of plants, so at least that is back to normal.
  8. frodo

    frodo Deplorable Curmudgeon

    Toilet paper makers: ‘What we are dealing with here is uncharted’

    As the coronavirus pandemic spreads, households across the country are hunkering down and emptying out store shelves.

    Toilet paper has a become the ultimate symbol of the panic buying; it’s seemingly scooped up as soon as new rolls hit the shelves.

    Companies that help supply these everyday paper products are stunned and trying to adjust to this rapidly evolving new normal in consumer behavior.

    They’re faced with tradeoffs. Many were already operating their manufacturing facilities 24/7 prior to the pandemic. Now, some are limiting their facilities to essential workers and contractors. It’s unclear, however, what they will do in the event that those workers get sick.

    “If you ask me why everyone is grabbing toilet paper, I can’t really explain it,” said Tom Sellars, CEO of Sellars Absorbent Materials in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. His company is a processor and converter of paper and related products. “It’s not like we are suddenly using more of it. But the surge in demand could strain the supply chain,” he said.

    Georgia Pacific, the maker of Angel Soft and Quilted Northern toilet paper, said that last week, some orders from retailers nearly doubled. The company managed to ship out 20% more than its normal capacity. And the American Forest & Paper Association, an industry group representing paper product makers, noted the industry is working hard to respond to the sudden spike in demand.

    “Rest assured, tissue products continue to be produced and shipped — just as they are 52 weeks each year as part of a global market,” AFPA’s CEO Heidi Brock said in a statement.

    But that doesn’t mean it will be easy work for the factories.

    How toilet paper is made
    Toilet paper is made from one of two sources — virgin pulp from trees or recycled pulp obtained from materials like discarded copy paper that’s reprocessed and then turned into pulp.

    Virgin pulp comes from Canada and the United States.

    The pulp (virgin or recycled) is delivered to paper mills that turn it into large rolls of paper called “parent rolls” that are over 100 inches wide. The rolls then arrive at paper-coverting facilities, like the one run by Sellars.

    “We purchase large rolls from mills and our equipment cuts and packages them into the designated end product like toilet paper or kitchen towels, depending on the quality of the paper,” he said. Packaging and shipping are the final steps in the chain.

    So what happens when there’s an unexpected demand spike?

    “Most mills are 24 hours, 7 days a week operations already. They are running on fixed capacity,” said Sellars. “It’s not like there’s an idle machine that can be cranked up to increase production.”

    Retailers also have a set amount of toilet paper inventory. “What I suspect is happening right now is retailers are tapping into toilet paper inventory that’s sitting in their warehouses until they get more shipment from producers,” he said.

    For suppliers, rapidly increasing production may not be feasible. So they might instead recalibrate factory production to make more of one type of product and less of another. “For example, less bathroom paper towels and more toilet paper,” said Sellars.

    Consumer products company Kimberly-Clark, whose retail toilet paper brands include Scott and Cottonelle, said it is taking steps to accelerate production and reallocating inventory to meet current demand.
    “We want to assure consumers that we are doing our best to ensure a steady supply of product to stores, and will continue to make adjustments to our plans as necessary,” the company said in a statement to CNN Business.

    Another way suppliers are responding to the toilet paper craze: Some are cutting out distribution centers, sending trucks directly to and from paper factories to get product onto shelves more quickly, said Scott Luton, founder and CEO of Supply Chain Now Radio, a digital media company focused on supply chain management.

    Sahil Tak co-owns ST Paper & Tissue with his father Sharad. The company, in Oconto Falls, Wisconsin, operates its own paper mills and makes both parent rolls and finished products like toilet paper and folded bathroom tissues.

    All of its products are made from recycled paper primarily for commercial customers like hotels, hospitals, schools and offices. Tak calls it the “away-from-home” market, and it’s been less prone to panic buying than the market for toilet paper people use in their homes.

    That said, it doesn’t mean his businesses hasn’t been impacted. Tak said he has been getting calls since last week from toilet paper producers for the home market asking if he has extra supply to share.

    “Our supply is tight at the moment. We have over 200 employees running a 24/7 operation. So it’s not a question of more staffing to increase production but how to become even more efficient,” said Tak.
    His bigger concern, however, is about the health of his employees.

    “What we are dealing with here is uncharted,” said Tak, referring to the fast-spreading pandemic. “What if facilities have to shut down if workers become sick?”

    That’s also a pressing concern for Rob Baron, CEO of Marcal Paper. The Elmwood Park, New Jersey company produces and markets its branded paper products, including Marcal toilet paper to both residential and commercial customers.

    The company just resumed operations in January, a year after a fire destroyed its 80-year-old manufacturing facility.

    “Our first step, before we even look at the demand spike, was to think about how to keep our people safe,” said Baron. “No visitors, no customers, no suppliers to the facility.”

    Demand for Marcal toilet paper from retail customers is up over 25%, he said. “Paper machines already run 24/7. There’s only so much we can do with any incremental increase in demand because there is no surplus capacity.”

    He’s making sure Marcal doesn’t add on any new customers for now. “We have to take care of our existing long-term customers and ensure supply to them first,” he said.

    Another big worry: stockpiling toilet paper now could eventually hurt manufacturers’ sales down the road.

    “We’ve all seen photos of people carrying shopping carts filled with toilet paper out of stores. They probably won’t buy more for three to four months,” Baron said.

    “There will be a demand shock, and it will again strain the system.”
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  9. AColbe01

    AColbe01 Distinguished Poster

    People don’t understand the way this virus attacks.....Respiratory system not the digestive system!
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  10. Jarhead5811

    Jarhead5811 Rational Anarchist MSGO Supporter

    It’s similar to the .22LR shortage. It wasn’t actually being shot at a higher rate, there was a panic and it took a long time for people to settle down, and stop buying it all up every time they had a chance, after the panic.
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  11. rc

    rc Chief cook and bottle washer

    Hinds Co
    I think it’s in distribution, another area going PC, they got make sure governments are overstocked. Really think they are expecting a new surge of this mess and they are just waiting to tell you and me what,when,where and how.
  12. patchz

    patchz MSGO Court Jester Staff Member MSGO Supporter

    A small part of the problem, is that many people were using toilet paper the most at work. Now they're home all the time so they need to buy more than they were.
  13. patchz

    patchz MSGO Court Jester Staff Member MSGO Supporter

    A good bit of the stuff Amazon sells that was made in the U.S. is out of stock, but the same products in a cheaper, shoddier form are still available. From where you ask? Yep, you guessed it, China. And I have personal knowledge that slow boats from China really do exist. I learned that before I began checking to see from where an item was going to be shipped.
  14. cruiser

    cruiser Distinguished Poster

    Being a tree farmer, I appreciate anything that may help pulp prices. Prices were so low, some landowners in parts of MS were having to pay the cutters for the first thinning.
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  15. Leonidas

    Leonidas Free Edward Snowden MSGO Supporter

    Does that mean that they are defecating more at home than they were at work??

    I don't see how the location where they crap affects how much they crap. I'd lay odds that their total load of crap is about the same.

    If they are not crapping at work, the employer is buying less, freeing up supply for the residential market.

    Last edited: May 23, 2020
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  16. canebreaker

    canebreaker Distinguished Poster

    We use the Member's Mark brand of tissue. Got down to 2 inner packs and Debbie said you better buy more now or they might not be any for a while. At the time I was seeing carts full of it at Sam's. I bought 1, could have bought more. Got down to the last 9 rolls before Sam's had more, that was Tuesday. But no ground beef in the case. I got the tissue and towels and put them in the truck, went back for more plus regular shopping. Out of both.
    Thursday the had Charmin and Northern, first time I've noticed Northern at Sam's. One son and daughter like Northern, bought 1 pack and headed back for another, nope both out. They've had to use other brands and they split this package.
    Other son uses Soft n Gentle. Got down to the last roll in 3 bathrooms before I found some at walmart. I made 3 trips in the store since they were small packs. They bought a package of walmart and Kroger brand just incase they needed it.
  17. canebreaker

    canebreaker Distinguished Poster

    Let's say a family of 5, one crap at home and one at work or school. Being at home full time now that's 10 trips to the bathroom. Add extra for the females that make their hand look like a giant Q tip per wipe. Add extra if the females are of age and wrap their pads the size of a softball before going into the trash.
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  18. Leonidas

    Leonidas Free Edward Snowden MSGO Supporter

    I think I was doing this edit while you were replying.
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  19. bubbat

    bubbat Gatekeeper to my corner of Hell.

    In a house with 3 women, they use massive amounts of toilet paper, don't know how my Daddy afforded to keep 5 women in toilet paper.
  20. BasMstr

    BasMstr Distinguished Poster

    Most employers aren't buying "regular" rolls of toilet paper - they're buying the industrial John Wayne TP. Around here, that stuff wasn't too hard to find. Local Walmart's and Sam's are pretty well stocked, too.
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