Status of Reciprocity agreement w/TN ?

Discussion in 'Mississippi Gun Laws' started by GunnyGene, Nov 3, 2017.

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  1. GunnyGene

    GunnyGene Distinguished Poster

    Was looking at TN reciprocity rules this am.

    Wondering if there has been any change in our agreement with them since we no longer require a permit in MS. It seems that the wording above would be inclusive of MS residents who do not have a permit, but do have proof of MS residence (DL or similar).

    I haven't been able to locate a copy of the MS/TN agreement, so if anyone can point me to the official paper please do. :)
     
  2. DoyleAlley

    DoyleAlley Distinguished Poster

    I doubt they will allow a MS person who carries here without a permit to carry in TN. That is one of the two reasons to maintain a MS permit (the other being the ability to bypass NICS).
     
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  3. rigrat

    rigrat Semper Fi

    I beleive you are correct as they state above:

    valid handgun permit, firearms permit, weapons permit, or a license issued by another state
     
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  4. GunnyGene

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    That is the question I'm trying to find the offical answer to.

    Note that MS law does not distinguish between residents and non-residents who carry sans permit. Seems to me then that States we have reciprocity agreements with (TN for example) would have to reciprocate in kind, unless there has been some change in the agreement.
     
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  5. rigrat

    rigrat Semper Fi

    I think you already found it in the wording they use about honoring a valid license issued from the state in question.
     
  6. GunnyGene

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    Not sure about that, since the agreement that is apparently still in effect was likely drawn up and signed long before we passed the permitess carry law last year. And therefore would have been based on the laws of both states at the time. I doubt the bureaucrats would have taken the initiative to renegotiate that agreement based on current law, but since I haven't found a copy who knows?
     
  7. jakeg823

    jakeg823 Distinguished Poster

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    If TN is a constitutional carry state, then you're probably good. Otherwise, they're under no obligation to honor MS's carry laws.

    The excerpt you posted seemed pretty clear that it meant handgun permit or license, not a drivers permit or license.

    This is the primary reason to keep a MS carry permit.
     
  8. GunnyGene

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    TN is not a permitless carry state. But both parties are bound by the actual legal terms of a formal reciprocity agreement, same as any other legally binding contract. This ain't just a handshake over lunch.

    I did shoot off an email a little while ago to DPS asking them if they could provide me with a copy of the reciprocal agreement currently in effect. The wording (the terms) of the agreement should be very specific since it is a legally binding agreement between States, and might clear up any doubts one way or the other.

    Might get a reply, might not. It should be a Public Record (which I've searched for), but if I don't get a reply within a reasonable time, I'll file a FOIA request. There's no reason such agreements should be a secret, especially if they concern a matter of significant public interest.
     
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  9. jakeg823

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    Try the state of TN as well. I wouldn't expect a response till Monday. State employees don't like to start new projects on Fridays.
     
  10. GunnyGene

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    I thought about that, but I don't have legal standing in TN. I did explore what TN had available on the TN.gov site also, but no joy there either, except for what I've already posted.

    Anyway, I'm thinking this could have some impact on the current debate about National Reciprocity.
     
  11. 45flattop

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    Slight correction Jake, make that ANY day that
    falls between and includes Monday through Friday.
    Ever tried to get ANYONE on the phone at a state
    agency? My luck has been less than great.:lol4:
     
  12. jakeg823

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    Been a state employee for nearly 6 years. Trust me, it's as difficult for us as it is for anyone else to get ahold of some people.

    I worked at one agency where a huge portion of my job(for 3 of the 5 years) relied on answering phone calls and emails. The higher ups monitored our phone activity(missed calls, lengths of calls, hold times, etc.) and called us out on it if it was out of the ordinary. We were on top of it to the best of our ability. So yeah it's always especially frustrating to me to try to reach someone at another agency just to have my call or emails ignored.
     
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  13. GunnyGene

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    I got a reply from Lt. Easterling @ DPS a few minutes ago. He doesn't have a copy of the agreement. Not terribly surprising. Anyway I wrote him back and asked if he could forward my request to the Commissioner (who has the authority for reciprocal agreements per 97-37-7 ) or provide me with a point of contact for his office.

    This will probably get me on somebodies list. ;) That's ok. Boat rocking can be fun. :lol3:
     
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  14. jakeg823

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    They'll have the new guy or intern hunt for it...maybe
     
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  15. TheBouncer1111

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    LOL I still keep my deceased mother's and fathers' and step fathers' emails active just for that purpose. As well as the PO Box..paid for each year with a check drawn on my fathers bank account
     
  16. GunnyGene

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    Just got a followup from the good Lt. He's forwarded my request to their legal dept. :rolleyes:
     
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  17. GunnyGene

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    Got an email from Lt. Easterling today. MS does not have a formal reciprocity agreement with TN.

    Here's the text of the email:

    So that raises several questions. I reckon y'all can figure out what those questions might be.

    TN.gov on the other hand is under the impression that there is a formal reciprocity agreement with MS (and other States).

    Whether reciprocity is honored or not seems to depend on who's buying lunch. :hmm::rolleyes:
     
  18. stewbaby

    stewbaby Distinguished Poster MSGO Supporter

    Just holler at ole Jim Hood, he'll get right on it! (sarcasm, heavy & dripping)
     
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  19. rigrat

    rigrat Semper Fi

    Yeah I think it is a none issue myself. If they say on the TN sight they honor Ms then you are good to go. Just don't carry without a permit as that is a Ms thing and not necessarily a TN honoring thing as they specifically state permit.