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Many times, Lee will run a "special" on some of their pressess and kits .... you can usually save a little by buying such a set-up ..
 

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Many times, Lee will run a "special" on some of their pressess and kits .... you can usually save a little by buying such a set-up ..
I always want to load 40sw. It says this in the description
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Additional Features: Extra turrets and shell plate carriers available (sold separately). For reloaders buying this kit who plan to load more than the caliber listed in the description with this press. Please note that the Pro Auto-Disk powder measure (included as part of the kit) will only work with Lee powder-through expanding dies.
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SO what exactly would I need to buy to reload 40sw too?
 

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Since the price issue has been taken care of, I'll just make a comment on the press...

I don't mean to start a flame war here and I use and really like some of Lee's dies and reloading accessories, but I would pass on a Lee press personally. I helped a friend set one of these up and I didn't care for it. (Neither did he, he upgraded shortly thereafter and no longer uses it). It was frustrating and at times a headache. That being said, I do know a few folks that load on them and say they like them for the money invested. You could probably also use it for a while and sell it for only a small loss. I hope a few owners will post their experiences here.

My personal preference is to "cry once" and buy a Dillon. www.dillonprecision.com The lifetime no B.S. warranty and technical support is the real deal, and they are very well built, well thought out machines. I have two and wouldn't trade them for anything.

Although I have no personal experience with it, I understand the RCBS progressive is a pretty good press, and vranasaurus has one for sale in the classifieds here with a good many extra accessories and items:
http://www.msgunowners.com/gun-parts-accessories-for-sale-trade-f28/rcbs-pro-2000-progressive-press-and-accessories-t5892.htm
It is more than twice the price of the Lee, but in most cases you get what you pay for. My $.02.
 

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Since the price issue has been taken care of, I'll just make a comment on the press...

I don't mean to start a flame war here and I use and really like some of Lee's dies and reloading accessories, but I would pass on a Lee press personally. I helped a friend set one of these up and I didn't care for it. (Neither did he, he upgraded shortly thereafter and no longer uses it). It was frustrating and at times a headache. That being said, I do know a few folks that load on them and say they like them for the money invested. You could probably also use it for a while and sell it for only a small loss. I hope a few owners will post their experiences here.

My personal preference is to "cry once" and buy a Dillon. www.dillonprecision.com The lifetime no B.S. warranty and technical support is the real deal, and they are very well built, well thought out machines. I have two and wouldn't trade them for anything.

Although I have no personal experience with it, I understand the RCBS progressive is a pretty good press, and vranasaurus has one for sale in the classifieds here with a good many extra accessories and items:
http://www.msgunowners.com/gun-parts-accessories-for-sale-trade-f28/rcbs-pro-2000-progressive-press-and-accessories-t5892.htm
It is more than twice the price of the Lee, but in most cases you get what you pay for. My $.02.
Thanks DB
 

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+1 on the dillion i bought one 8 or 9 years ago and have never looked back. I went with the 550b and have loved it. I often time load up my rifle cartridges on it w/ the dillion powder measure and they are very accurate rounds. I also have a RCBS single stage for when i am loading more for accuracy. I might have to do a test and load 20 on dillion and 20 on single stage and just see which one is more accurate.

if you are a newbie to reloading you may be better off staring with a single stage to ensure that you follow each step properly and get used to the sequence of reloading. I went straight to the Dillion for my first press and never looked back... i was just verrrry carreefull. I actually used it like a single stage instead of progressive at first just to make sure i didnt screw anything up after a couple of weeks of that i cranked production up a bit. good luck and remember safety first.
 

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I have been using a rcbs for 21 years now.same one. I would agree Dillon is the best,without a doubt, but in my experience rcbs stands behind their equipment with no hassle.Have to agree with ftsibley, single stage is better to start with. Safety first.
 

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I will put in my 2 cents. I started and still have a RCBS rockchucker single stage. I upgraded to a Dillon Square deal B for my pistol needs. I bought it off of evilbay years ago. The Dillon no bs is for real, it had a broken primer part and they would not take any money, the rep said if it is blue we don't care if you found it in the ditch it is under warranty. I thought I had died and went to Heaven, I literally couldn't walk past that press without cranking out 10-20 rounds. I can produce good ammo at the rate of around 300 per hour, that is looking into each case to see the powder. Mac P.S don't take DB's word he is a "lawyer" :lol3: :blol: :128:
 

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I have been getting by on Lee stuff for 25 years...one of these days I'm gonna get me a Dillon.

BigMike...while I like my Lee stuff...its cheap and it works...Just go ahead and bite the bullet bro.

Life is short...don't skimp...Get ya the Blue...You never regret buying good products

If you have the space...build that bench in the "cave" and get the Dillon
 

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I have been getting by on Lee stuff for 25 years...one of these days I'm gonna get me a Dillon.

BigMike...while I like my Lee stuff...its cheap and it works...Just go ahead and bite the bullet bro.

Life is short...don't skimp...Get ya the Blue...You never regret buying good products

If you have the space...build that bench in the "cave" and get the Dillon
neck...you spend my money easier than i do HAHA. Your prob right though. I just need to do it.
 

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OK -- guys I do not own a Dillion! actually never seen one in operation ... I do, however, believe all the testimonials I read regarding their quality and speed of operation. Just have not justified the expenditure involved; especially when you load 14 different calibers ... I will get on a tear and load several thousand of 1 caliber and I am done with it for sometime .... Time is usually something I do have.

If I did not have the time and needed thousands of rounds every week or so, I would probably invest in a Dillon for my pistol calibers; especially, 9mm, 38/357, and 45acp. I use a couple single stage presses and actually get along pretty well .......
 

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OK -- guys I do not own a Dillion! actually never seen one in operation ... I do, however, believe all the testimonials I read regarding their quality and speed of operation. Just have not justified the expenditure involved; especially when you load 14 different calibers ... I will get on a tear and load several thousand of 1 caliber and I am done with it for sometime .... Time is usually something I do have.

If I did not have the time and needed thousands of rounds every week or so, I would probably invest in a Dillon for my pistol calibers; especially, 9mm, 38/357, and 45acp. I use a couple single stage presses and actually get along pretty well .......
im needing about 200 rounds a week of 9mm I wish i could find a used lees and then i wont be out much if i sell it
 

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200 rounds a week on a Dillon 550 is about half an hour or maybe a little more depending on if you are including filling primer tubes, powder measure, and getting components ready. They say it is a "400-600" round per hour machine. I have never done 600 on mine in an hour, but I have done over 500. For major matches or when I am making "best quality" handgun ammo, it is probably somewhere around 350 - 400 per hour but I am taking my time. If someone else was keeping the machine and bins stocked with components, 600 would be reachable.

Like ftsibley, the Dillon 550 was my first press. I personally think it is fine to start with a progressive. Just because a machine can load fast doesn't mean you have to start wide open, and if you know you want 200 rounds per week, well, a singlestage wouldn't be the way I would want to go. The 550 is very simple for a progressive and easy to learn on. Some will say the 550 is "bad" because it is manually indexing. However, I think this can be good, especially for someone new, as automatic indexing could be more confusing when or if something goes wrong. The manual indexing just requires your attention and a habitual motion. The right hand sets a case, pulls the handle, pushes forward, then the left hand rotates the shell plate and sets a bullet. Repeat every cycle.

I know some very good tactical rifle competitors that load long range rifle ammunition on Dillon 550's and 650's. For optimum match accuracy, I believe they are weighing powder charges which slows down the rate of production by a good bit, but all of the other operations are done on the progressive press, and they load some of their practice ammunition with the Dillon powder measures at regular production rates and say the accuracy difference isn't much.

The 550 is also VERY easy to switch calibers and is the easiest of the Dillon presses by a little bit. If you are staying with the same primer size, you can switch calibers in 5 minutes or less. If the case head is close enough in size that the shellplate does not have to be changed, it is more like 1 minute for a caliber change. Swapping primer size does add probably 10-15 minutes to the conversion. BigMike or Captain, if you are ever down in the Hattiesburg area, you are both welcome to come by and take a look at my setups.

Used Dillon machines do become available from time to time, but they usually don't stay on the market long. There is some savings involved, but they hold their value reasonably well. Typically it will be a Square Deal or 550 because someone is moving up to a 650 or 1050. I was fortunate to grab a used Super 1050 that a friend sold when he got out of competition shooting for less than half of what a new one costs today (there have been a few price increases since then though). It is the only press that doesn't have Dillon's no b.s. warranty because it is considered a small batch commercial press, but I haven't needed anything for it in over 6 years other than the plastic bottom of a primer feeding tube, and Dillon sent one to me for free anyway even though I told them it was for the 1050 and not the 550. I just loaded right at 500 rounds for the MS Classic on it in about 25 minutes, and that includes having to fill the case feeder, bullet feeder, and powder hopper. It is a good bit more complicated than a 550, but it's nothing ridiculous. It is of course more involved to switch calibers too, but I leave it setup in the caliber I shoot most (.40S&W) and load everything else on the 550.

I've never owned a square deal and I only owned a 650 for about 10 minutes (won it at a match and sold it to a guy standing next to me), but I have loaded on both and can give you my thoughts, for what they're worth, on them if you're interested. Dillon also has interactive purchasing guides for their machines here: http://www.dillonprecision.com/customize-reloader.html

I'm sure vranasaurus would give you an honest opinion on the RCBS Pro 2000 he is selling. He has already said he is selling it because he is moving up to a Dillon 650, but I think the Pro 2000 compares with a 550 but does have automatic indexing and a 5th station. I have never been around one of them though, just heard some good things.
 

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I have had friends with problems with the Lee Progressive press. I have 2 Dillon Square deal Presses. One in .38 spl and one in ,.45 ACP, I have had the .38 press since 1983. It srtill works and is under warranty.

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Big mike go blue man. Save up your money then stay on eBay or any where else and jump on the 1st deal you find. There out there you just gotta look for them. 550 all the way.
 
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