[Caleb C]

When do you consider it acceptable to draw your weapon with the intent to use it? Is it better to just keep your head down and mouth shut in some situations? Below are two scenarios. What would you do?

Scenario 1:
You're in a convenient store standing in line when a guy comes through the door with pistol in hand. He yells at everyone in the store to get on the floor and then directs his attention toward the cashier. He demands cash and show obvious irritation when the frantic cashier has trouble opening the register. There are several other patrons in the store but they are all on the floor just like you. What do you do?

Scenario 2:
You're pumping gas at a local station when gunfire erupts. You look around to determine where the shots are coming from and notice that a police officer is exchanging fire with two men taking cover behind a car. The officer is alone and the other two men are making no attempt to retreat. You have a better vantage point than the officer and the men are about 30ft from you. Everyone else at the filling station has taken cover. What do you do?

 

[nonnieselman]

Scenario 1:
IF you think about it... it depends on your target and whats behind your target, what angle your at from your target.



In Scenario 2:
get the suppressed 308 from the back seat and end it quietly

But seriously,, its kinda tricky situation there, you dont know the whole story and it could end bad for you..


Both situations its gonna be one of them things that your reactions take over and your thinker aint gonna be thinking like it normally does..

 

[pinetor]

When do you consider it acceptable to draw your weapon with the intent to use it? Is it better to just keep your head down and mouth shut in some situations? Below are two scenarios. What would you do?

Scenario 1:
You're in a convenient store standing in line when a guy comes through the door with pistol in hand. He yells at everyone in the store to get on the floor and then directs his attention toward the cashier. He demands cash and show obvious irritation when the frantic cashier has trouble opening the register. There are several other patrons in the store but they are all on the floor just like you. What do you do??

This one I would wait out. Money can be replaced and no one is shooting.

Scenario 2:
You're pumping gas at a local station when gunfire erupts. You look around to determine where the shots are coming from and notice that a police officer is exchanging fire with two men taking cover behind a car. The officer is alone and the other two men are making no attempt to retreat. You have a better vantage point than the officer and the men are about 30ft from you. Everyone else at the filling station has taken cover. What do you do?

This one would be hard to sit out. Gunfire has already started. 30 ft.. is basically point blank for me, if I am not on thier radar.. then every option is open from head shot to just winging them. I am not a cop... so one thing I wouldn't do is tell them to drop thier weapons.

To be sure I don't WANT to be in either position.

 

[PAYCHECK]

Second thoughts

 

[Xd357]

Option 1 - I'm not getting on the floor and will defend myself and my family.

Option 2- I'd help the officer out.

 

[Cliff Cargill]

#1 I wouldn't touch this on the internet with a 100 yard pole.

#2 See answer #1

 

[Kevin346]

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[bubbat]

#1 I wouldn't touch this on the internet with a 100 yard pole.

#2 See answer #1

Best answer yet and I agree. :thumbup:

 

[Xd357]

Lol^^^

 

[JMS39339]

I'm not going to dive into this with an open post myself but interestingly enough, it ties very well with another topic currently going on the forum, "What to expect after a self defense shooting". There is a link to a very interesting read in regard to these scenarios.

http://www.msgunowners.com/t11482-what-to-expect-after-self-defense-shooting

 

[g2072]

Even if you decide to help in scene two you open yourself up to a lot of things. How would anyone know you were helping the officers. All anyone would see is somebody else holding a gun. The officers,under duress could mistake you for a a BG. Any responding officers could mistake you also. They drive up and see you holding a gun during a gunfight and it may not work out well even if you are trying to help. Even another citizen trying to help the offficers could mistake you for a BG and shoot you. Carrying a gun carries great personal responsibility. When it becomes part of your everyday attire you had better be able to process a lot of things in a small amount of time and choose the right thing to do every time. Until I'm faced with real life situations I honestly don't know what I would do. I sure hope I would be able to look at the situation and do what was right for that situation even if it was as simple as calling 911 or being a good witness.

 

[SubGunFan]

Call in an airstrike... Take cover and stick your fingers in your ears.




.

 

[sand_man]

#1 dial 911

#2 dial 911

 

[Caleb C]

It's unfortunate that we live in a world were this is even a topic for conversation and I understand why some folks are reluctant to comment. Some liberal hippie lawyer would love get some incriminating information on the good guy after a shooting

I intentionsly left out important details from these two situations becaus it makes us analyze things more closely. It's a good idea to toss these and thousands of other scenarios around in your head. Even if you'd rather not talk about it you should understand what you're capable and willing to do. Try to understand what you may not be able to live with after the fact. In all honesty we never know what we would do until we're faced with having to make the choice. Adrenaline is a strange thing and will affect people differently

Hopefully none of us will ever be faced with having to make these decisions but remember all that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing

 

[PAYCHECK]

Great post Caleb C. Keep them coming.

 

[Brutus]

In scenario 1 I'd draw down on him if I could and if he made a move as though to shoot me I'd fire.

Scenario 2 I've thought about and debated with myself more times than I can remember. In a situation like that, you're likely to end up shot by the cop himself or his back-up responding just as you go into action. I *think* I'd be more prone to help out rather than just lay low.

When do you consider it acceptable to draw your weapon with the intent to use it? Is it better to just keep your head down and mouth shut in some situations? Below are two scenarios. What would you do?

Scenario 1:
You're in a convenient store standing in line when a guy comes through the door with pistol in hand. He yells at everyone in the store to get on the floor and then directs his attention toward the cashier. He demands cash and show obvious irritation when the frantic cashier has trouble opening the register. There are several other patrons in the store but they are all on the floor just like you. What do you do??

This one I would wait out. Money can be replaced and no one is shooting.

Scenario 2:
You're pumping gas at a local station when gunfire erupts. You look around to determine where the shots are coming from and notice that a police officer is exchanging fire with two men taking cover behind a car. The officer is alone and the other two men are making no attempt to retreat. You have a better vantage point than the officer and the men are about 30ft from you. Everyone else at the filling station has taken cover. What do you do?

This one would be hard to sit out. Gunfire has already started. 30 ft.. is basically point blank for me, if I am not on thier radar.. then every option is open from head shot to just winging them. I am not a cop... so one thing I wouldn't do is tell them to drop thier weapons.

To be sure I don't WANT to be in either position.

Don't ever shoot to "just wing" a bad guy. You're likely to be sued into oblivion regardless of what the law says. Even if it's an open and shut case in court that goes in your favor, you're still gonna owe your lawyer a princely sum.

 

[captain-03]

#1 I wouldn't touch this on the internet with a 100 yard pole.

#2 See answer #1

Best answer yet and I agree. :thumbup:

Same here!!

BTW: I am sure that everyone knows and understands that you should never take the opinions you read on here as the legal and/or right way of looking at things. That is what lawyers and the courts are for ..... discussion is good as long as we all know it it just discussion and opinion!!

 

[Hammer]

EVeryone reading and replying to this topic needs to read this:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20110120/NEWS03/110120038/Man+s+guns+seized+after+controversial+blog


Be very careful what you put on a public forum. I don't want to be visited by the alphabet boys looking for info on anyone here and I dam sure don't want any negative press about the forum should anyone here happen to get into a 'situation' and it end badly.

 

[Joe S.]

im gonna hide behind cliff cargill! lol

 

[Scharfschütze]

As Hammer says: Be careful what you say on a public forum. If you advocated shooting the perp, even in this hypothetical case, and actually end up doing so one day, his lawyer / his survivors WILL find your posts and use it to portray you as an EVIL gun-toting psychopath who was just itching to shoot someone...
That being said, in scenario 2 I would be very afraid that the officer could not / would not (given the heat of the moment) distinguish me from the bad guys, and if I opened fire he would / could mistake me for bad guy # 3. kinda a no-win situation. All kinds of variables: could I identify myself to the law officer as a "good guy"? Etc. I won't comment further for reasons given. Not good to discuss such in this forum given our wonderful lawyer-rich society!