Weaver, Modified Weaver, or Isosceles Shooting?

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slabsides45

Discussion Starter · May 25, 2010

So I'm reading a book called "Surgical Speed Shooting" by Andy Stanford. I'm sure some of you have read it. In the book he extols the virtues of using the isosceles method of shooting versus the Weaver stance.

I was trained at Rangemaster, owned and operated by Tom Givens. I was taught a Weaver stance, where the barrel of the weapon lines up with the primary shooting arm, and the support arm comes up to kinda form a "D" shape (if viewed from above). Stanford gives his arguments for the isosceles, where a line along the long axis of the barrel would run medial (toward the middle) of the strong arm, and line up (obviously) with the dominant eye. The stance isn't quite a perfect triangle, because the fact that the support hand angles slightly down and sits slightly forward of the shooting hand will necessarily move that side of the shooters body forward. This can look a lot like a modified Weaver if you're not an expert at such things. The author argues that virtually all competitors who routinely win use the isosceles, due to it's inherently superior ability to bring you back on target faster (lock the wrists, with the support wrist being angled slightly down and compensating for recoil).

So, all that to ask again-which do y'all use, and why? Really interested in Cliff's views on this! :thumbup:

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Doug Bowser

· #15 · Jun 24, 2010

I use the isosceles position. I believe the pistol recoils in a straighter line with this position. I also have an easier time finding the Natural Point of Aim with the isosceles position. Of course, most of my shooting with handguns is done with one hand, anyway and I do not shoot in many combat matches.

Also with the isosceles position, I believe the grip and pressure put on the handgun during recoil is more repeatable. If there are differences in grip and the tension put on the handgun, the result will be inconsistencies in elevation. This is because the barrel of the handgun is in motion before the bullet leaves the barrel. Tighter grip or pressure causes lower shots and looser grip causes higher shots.

If the Natural Point of Aim is not attained, inconsistencies will be from right to left. When the handgun is muscled to point of aim and you are not in the Natural Point of Aim, the handgun has a tendency to go to the natural point of aim as it recoils, causing the differences in windage.

Doug

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