Loaded and shot 405 grain Shooters Bullets in a 45-70 with 13 grains of Trail Boss. Sighted in my 1895 guide gun with a ghost ring for hogs at 50 yards. Getting 2" - 2 1/2" groups which is all I can do with the ghost ring. Plan on using it on short range hogs in the palmetto's in the swamps...here piggy, piggy, piggy.