The 2” barrels are what go to the woods. When I “develop” a snake load, I test it on a cardboard tray on the ground. I usually test at 3, 4, and yards. My usual stack is powder, dryer sheet wad, shot, index card wad, nail polish sealant, crimp. After making all those frogs mad this weekend, I wanted to see how these penetrated. BTW, this was a .38/357 CCI Shotshell at about 5-6 feet. I don’t like CCI because I’ve had too many with extra thick rims.