Got a chance to do a little plinkin' with another oldtimer today. This one was considered a flat shooting, express cartridge back in it's day. The .45-70 shot a .458 dia 405 gr bullet with 70 gr black powder. This one shot a .406 dia 315 gr bullet with 82 gr powder. This 1886 was made in 1891 and it shoots great. It's heavy enough that the recoil isn't bad at all. I've taken it deer hunting several times but didn't get a chance to take one with it.