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With women in combat roles, a federal court rules the male-only draft unconstitutional

A federal judge in Texas has declared that the all-male military draft is unconstitutional, ruling that "the time has passed" for a debate on whether women belong in the military.

The decision deals the biggest legal blow to the Selective Service System since the Supreme Court upheld the draft in 1981. In Rostker v. Goldberg, the court ruled that the male-only draft was "fully justified" because women were ineligible for combat roles.

But U.S. District Judge Gray Miller ruled late Friday that while historical restrictions on women serving in combat "may have justified past discrimination," men and women are now equally able to fight. In 2015, the Pentagon lifted all restrictions for women in military service.

The case was brought by the National Coalition For Men, a men's rights group, and two men who argued the all-male draft was unfair.

The ruling comes as an 11-member commission is studying the future of the draft, including whether women should be included or whether there should continue to be draft registration at all.

The National Commission on Military, National and Public Service released an interim report last month giving no hints on where it would come down on those issues. But commission chairman Joe Heck told USA TODAY, "I don’t think we will remain with the status quo."
 

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Sad to me that there are men that would want women in combat roles. Guess I'm just to old fashioned about the issue.
 

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I wish they’d just do away with the whole draft apparatus (Selective Service). Perhaps this can open that door....


...but what is more likely is that they’ll just make women sign up, as well.

I’m so strongly opposed to my sons potentially being drafted to fight a likely unjust war on the other side of the world that I don’t know what I’d do....

...but I’ll be damned if I’d let them do that to my daughter.
 

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There is a word for someone forced to do work they do not, would not, choose to do: SLAVE

If a military action is so large that more manpower is required than can be acquired voluntarily the politicians, and their children/relatives, that declared such should have to join the fray before others are force into it.
 

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Now, if the country were to actually be invaded, I and my sons would voluntarily fight. Otherwise the .gov can shove it.
 

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I'm just the opposite I think every male child in the US should serve in his choice of the military upon graduating High school or College if they go to college directly from High school.
 

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Selective Service System > Registration > Who Must Register

With very few exceptions, all males between ages 18 and 25 must register with the Selective Service System (SSS) within 30 days of arriving in the United States. This includes U.S. born and naturalized citizens, parolees, undocumented immigrants, legal permanent residents, asylum seekers, refugees, and all males with visas of any kind which expired more than 30 days ago. The few individuals who are exempt from this requirement are those on current non-immigrant visas. A complete list of acceptable documentation for exemption may be found here.

The Selective Service System has not now, or in the past, collected or shared any information which would indicate a man's immigration status, either documented or undocumented. Selective Service has no authority to collect such information, has no use for it, and it is irrelevant to the registration requirement. Consequently, there is no immigration data to share with anyone.

The general rule is that if a male non-citizen takes up residency in the U.S. before his 26th birthday, he must register with Selective Service. For a more detailed list of which non-citizens must register, see
WHO MUST REGISTER - CHART
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I didn't know that male undocumented immigrants (i.e., illegal aliens), asylum seekers and refugees had to register with Selective Service too. I'm sure that they do …;) <sarc>
 

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It's a district court decision, so the venue is limited. SCOTUS would have to concur for this to impact the whole country.

If this had been the law of the land during WWII, who would have built the airplanes, ships, tanks, rifles, pistols...?
 

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This "ruling" was not an injunction, but merely this judge's non-binding opinion. The Government has no obligation to do anything as a result of this.
 
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I'm just the opposite I think every male child in the US should serve in his choice of the military upon graduating High school or College if they go to college directly from High school.
So, say the sitting president ten or twenty years from now decides to go to war (or commit so to a military action) in a place or for a cause you find detestable or just plain morally wrong, you want our young men place in a position to die for such bull—-t? It horrifies me to think of the government having access to the pool of bodies such a policy would provide, and might would make me feel that I had no choice but to fight it by means beyond the ballot box.
 

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So, say the sitting president ten or twenty years from now decides to go to war (or commit so to a military action) in a place or for a cause you find detestable or just plain morally wrong, you want our young men place in a position to die for such bull—-t? It horrifies me to think of the government having access to the pool of bodies such a policy would provide, and might would make me feel that I had no choice but to fight it by means beyond the ballot box.
So how is that scenario different than what’s happened in the past? We can only hope that the sitting President would not abuse the power when declaring war. Oh wait Bush already did that. Anyway I feel the military experience would do most these young kids good by teaching them some responsibility,respect and so forth. JMO , that and 3.00 might get you a cup of coffee.
 

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I certainly don't think it's a bad IDEA for a drop out,, trouble maker, or somebody not attending college to serve at least 4 years. Like Rig said some of todays youth DEF needs guidance.
 

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I'm just the opposite I think every male child in the US should serve in his choice of the military upon graduating High school or College if they go to college directly from High school.
Germany, Switzerland and many other European countries have compulsory service. You either serve 2~ years in the military or you volunteer at a govt approved program for 2 years. It has its pros and cons.

I’m with jarhead though, forcing someone to join against their will is slavery.

I would think that, were my life on the line, I would want everyone on my side 100% devoted to the same cause, not forced to be there at gunpoint.

I believe if it were truly necessary, there would be no shortage of volunteers to defend the country. But Bush, Obama and plenty of other previous administrations have proven their love for unconstitutional wars, that our young men and women should not be forced to fight.
 

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So, say the sitting president ten or twenty years from now decides to go to war (or commit so to a military action) in a place or for a cause you find detestable or just plain morally wrong, you want our young men place in a position to die for such bull—-t? It horrifies me to think of the government having access to the pool of bodies such a policy would provide, and might would make me feel that I had no choice but to fight it by means beyond the ballot box.
If someone feels that strongly about a combat role they can claim conscientious objector status.

See this.
Selective Service System > About > Alternative Service > Conscientious Objector

Or just head to Canada or where ever.
 
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My point is that directionally the government is headed down further into socialism and, no matter what Trump says, short of a war, will only have periods where the decent is slowed or may even takes a slight move in the opposite direction but I don’t see much hope while the urban centers have the socialist minded population growing faster than the rural liberty minded types. That being the case, I have no trouble picturing the government commiting to military roles obviously antithetical to the liberty and capitalism the country is supposed to represent.
 

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My point is that directionally the government is headed down further into socialism and, no matter what Trump says, short of a war, will only have periods where the decent is slowed or may even takes a slight move in the opposite direction but I don’t see much hope while the urban centers have the socialist minded population growing faster than the rural liberty minded types. That being the case, I have no trouble picturing the government commiting to military roles obviously antithetical to the liberty and capitalism the country is supposed to represent.
Maybe you should have said all that in the first place. But whatever. I'm not going to get into some hypothetical argument with you. :rolleyes:
 
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Ha-ha. Wonder how many of those "undocumented immigrants" register with the Selective Service?

Different from y'all, I think the gov will simply eliminate mandatory registration---but keep the Selective Service bureaucracy in place in case they ever need to start the draft again.

But . . . as I understand, a ruling by a Federal judge normally becomes the law of the land in all parts of the US unless there is a conflicting opinion in another district. And only then does the Supreme Court rule on the matter. That's how some left wing judge in Hawaii or California makes a law (or overrides a law) for the rest of the country.

And I kind of wonder if forced military service for all 18-year olds might have a major unanticipated impact on the US armed forces. We have seen lots of change in our military since the days of Vietnam: applicants too fat and out of shape, political liberalism the most important trait to be a leader, women on submarines, etc.

Eventually, the US will face hyperinflation and some guy will get elected president on the promise to "restore the US to its former greatness" and "a chicken in every pot"---but first he must suspend the Constitution and Congress and the Supreme Court.

And the people will say, "Amen!"

At that time it will be up to the military to take a side.

Either side the military takes will be a lose-lose proposition for the people because it will all be over but the shoutin'.
 
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