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I think the .223 could also be used on a .22 LR.
I don't have one yet either, but I think my first will either be a .22 for my Keltec P-17, or a .30 caliber for my .300 BlackOut pistol.

 

Yeah I am totally in the dark on this subject. So I appreciate the input.

 

30 caliber for sure. To cover most of your bases. Except for the 45 colt. And look at what all mounts you’ll need before you buy. They add up quick. As far as adding people to a trust, never done it before so only speculation, it’s just mailing in a simple form along with their finger prints.
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Have been thinking about getting a suppressor but don't know anything about the subject. Not sure what would be the best caliber to buy for either. AR in 223, lever 45 colt, 9mm for the new Dagger? The one for 9mm would it work on say a .357?
As far as paperwork I'd like a trust so I could add my wife and grown kids to it. Haven't a clue on any of that either. If you do a one shot trust can you add people after and how hard is it? Or is there a easier way of doing it.

So any of you guys that are suppressor literate please school me up a little bit.

You're probably going to want separate suppressors based on those calibers. A .30 rifle and .45 pistol would cover all those and then some; say if you wanted to add a 45acp.
Sorry, I have no advice on the trust stuff as none of mine are on trusts.

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A 223 can could work on a 22, but the problem is leading. Most rifle cans are not user serviceable meaning they can't be taken apart. If you shoot 22 suppressed you WILL want a can that can be taken apart and cleaned.

 

Look for Black Friday deals next weekend. Might even catch one that comes with a free rimfire can.

 

I have an Optimus and love it. Run it on my 223s, 9mm glocks, 300bo ar and bolt, and my 308 rifle. Could run it on 22s but it’s a little big for that and that’s why I have dedicated rimfire cans. Mounts aren’t too expensive and have direct thread adapters can use.

 

This would cover all your bases

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A trust is recommended and very easy to do. It's just words on paper. I suggest only having yourself on the trust until you get your suppressor(s). You can always add your family later and avoid having to submit paperwork. All trustees have to submit fingerprints, photos, and responsible person questionnaires each time a suppressor is added to the trust.

This site is a tremendous wealth of information and you can buy a prepared trust for 60 bucks. There are a lot of important details to consider and I have probably forgotten more stuff than I remember.

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If you go 30 cal, I can strongly recommend the CGS Hyperion 7.62. I run it on a 300 win mag and it’s crazy quiet. All you really hear is the sonic crack, sounds like shooting a .22 rifle, hearing-safe. I shot a doe at 275 yds this AM and the others just stood there.

 

Run it on a handgun?

 

1st suggestion is to see what firearms you have with threaded barrels now. Then decided what you are going shoot the most of that has suppressor capability. If you have a rimfire threaded barrel firearm then that's where I suggest starting. A Dead Air Mask HD is the #1 rated rimfire suppressor. Matched with .22lr 45gr suppressor ammo is the quietest thing I've ever shot. Suppressors can open up a whole new expensive can of worms but fun.

 

+1 on the mask. I wish I had a few more. Eventually

 

A trust is the recommended way to go. More than one person can and should be on the trust. ( my opinion ). If something were to happen to someone on the trust, they would be removed and someone else on the trust would take possession. Any of the trustee's could use items in the trust. It basically lets more than one person have ownership, use, and the ability to transfer without buying another tax stamp. Just add or remove from trust. My understanding.

 

Generally, it is sound advice to buy three. A 22 can, 30cal can, and a 45 can. Those will cover most of your bases, save for some oddball bigbore stuff. The one size fits all cans like the Griffin Bushwacker as an example are cool from the standpoint that they can literally be one can to rule them all, just at the end of the day that kind of functionality isn't all that practical. YMMV.

In regards to a trust, the only people who have to submit prints are whoever the "responsible persons" are on the trust, AKA trustees. It is generally understood that you can add trustees to a trust with a simple amendment (Silencershop's single shot trust for example comes with a pre-made amendment for adding trustees) after the form 4 has been approved without having to send in additional paperwork.

 

I went down the suppressor rabbit hole and ended up with several. I would go with direct thread and avoid the "fast attach" or "QD -Quick detach" style that requires a proprietary muzzle device. I have three "fast attach" style from different companies, and one went bankrupt with Remington so the muzzle devices are hard to find, and another changed their design for a new improved design thus mine are discontinued, and again I gotta scratch one up wherever I can find one. Direct thread eliminates this inevitable hassle, shoulda woulda.

Dead Air makes a fine .22 suppressor, but you can get a Ruger for 1/2 the price. I would start with a .22 and "standard velocity" ammo (which is subsonic) and have fun. You can put a .22 suppressor on a pistol without boosters and pistons and all of that jim-crackery. That crap drives me as crazy as fiddling with friction rings on a Browning A5, and I have two that I love. .22 ammo is filthy, if you're OCD you'll be cleaning your suppressor............... a lot.

For rifle, a 5.56/.223 isn't going to be that quiet because of the supersonic crack, but it'll be quiet enough that you won't need ear protection.
.30 caliber is great because you can jump on the .300 Blackout bandwagon and shoot subsonic, hugely fun and truly silent. And/or get an AR-Upper in 7.62X39 and shoot a lot cheaply, yet noisier.

Oh yeah, let me rant on the AR platform and suppressors, direct impingement = facial gas blast and filthy magazines and filthy ammo in the magazines and filthy brass. Booooooooo
might as well factor in a Griffin Armament SN-ACH suppressor normalized charging handle to minimize the gas blast.
Or piston driven AR upper, or adjustable gas block, or your favorite plan B, or get used to gas blast, wear eye protection, the right eye (for right handed folks) gets a beatdown.

Bolt gun has none of those hassles. .300 blackout (subsonic) sounds about like Pfffft

Pistol suppressor above .22 are not my thing, 9mm suppressor on a shoulder fired gun like CZ EVO, Colt AR9mm, Ruger PC9 is in the fun zone.

Are you going to primarily shoot at a formal range or private property where anything goes?

It's past my bedtime, starting to ramble.

 

Been doing some reading but still have the whole head is spinning thing. I am leaning towards a YHM R9 to start out with to see if I really want to pursue this rabbit. It is a sealed unit for 9mm and can be used on with barrel restrictions.

BARREL LENGTH RESTRICTIONS:

• 7.62x51 / .308 Winchester: 16" minimum barrel length
• 350 Legend: 16" minimum barrel length
• 5.56 NATO: 16" minimum barrel length
• 300 Blackout: 8" minimum barrel length

But look's like it might be a decent starting point.

So what would you guys think about this particular suppressor?

 

Been doing some reading but still have the whole head is spinning thing. I am leaning towards a YHM R9 to start out with to see if I really want to pursue this rabbit. It is a sealed unit for 9mm and can be used on with barrel restrictions.

BARREL LENGTH RESTRICTIONS:

• 7.62x51 / .308 Winchester: 16" minimum barrel length
• 350 Legend: 16" minimum barrel length
• 5.56 NATO: 16" minimum barrel length
• 300 Blackout: 8" minimum barrel length

But look's like it might be a decent starting point.

So what would you guys think about this particular suppressor?

Not too bad. Good price. Can’t disassemble to clean it. And only has direct thread so you’ll have to buy any QD mounts, thread adapters for other pitches, and the booster assembly/Nielson device to run it on a tilt barrel handgun. And I bet it’s still pretty loud on a centerfire rifle being almost a K length can. I guess that’ll be the best way to clean it out, run a few hot 308s through it to blow it all out ha.

 

As stated above need a couple separate cans. I have a old aac 7.62 and have beat on it for years..... but totally agree only use direct thread.... check out rugged obsidian, i have their obsidian 45 and love it...their customer service is awesome.... had a baffle strike totally my fault and they had it rebaffled and sent back in 3-4 days. it stays mainly on my 450 bushmaster bolt gun....

 

You’ll need this

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So another $160

 

Dang this is expensive going inexpensive, LOL.

 

Nothing inexpensive about it at all. Sorry.

 

You definitely gotta "pay to play" in the suppressor game.
That said, I rarely shoot without one now.

 

The waiting is worse than the expense

 

Very true

 

The r9 would be ok for everything you listed but I would not recommend it for someones first suppressor. While the advice I’m going to give might not even fit your needs but I wish I could have told this to a younger me. Some of it I got right the first time and some I missed the mark.
if I had it to do over again I would have gotten a long high preforming titanium 30 cal suppressor with hub compatible mounting first. I ended up getting a good preforming 30 cal suppressor but it is direct thread and HEAVY. I can not say this enough watch the weights a heavy can is not as fun. Current best picks in this category are dead air nomad L Ti, ddc enticer, csg Hyperion, and thunder beast Magnus. The last two don’t have hub compatibly but are very quiet.

the second can or even the first should be a 22 can. I lucked up and got one of the best made cans element 2 but the old AAC is gone. The top 22 cans now are mask, takedown, oculus, switch back, and NYX. Don’t get an aluminum can!

my third can should have been a tough midsize 30cal steel can. There are a lot of good cans that fit in this category so I will just name a few.
Nomad 30, omega 300, vox, anthem k steel, and explorer. Unless you have a machine gun any of these do good on short barrels and ar15s. Don’t get the sandman. It’s a popular choice in this category but it’s heavy and not quite. There is better technology out there.

this is where I would put a do all can mainly for pistol or larger projectiles. I got a 46hybrid and I’m happy with it because I know what to expect from it. I use it on my 45-70 and 450 bushmaster. It has even spent some time on a 5.56 pistol. Yes you can put it on a pistol but I never will because it’s big and heavy.

then I would get the r9 but I would rather have the Fly9 but it’s expensive.

just as a side note glock and glock clones (dagger) don’t make the best suppressor hosts.

the suppressors I have in order I got them and what I think I did right and wrong.
AAC Cyclone- not the best choice it’s heavy and direct thread.
AAC Element 2. - best purchase
Sico 46 Hybrid- good choice for 45cal rifle
Dead air Ti - I should have gotten the Ti L
Dead air 30 - good purchase will use it on all of my ARs 5.56-7.62x39 rifles and pistols

if you really want to get research paralysis check out pew science. He is doing real sound testing you can trust.

 

The r9 would be ok for everything you listed but I would not recommend it for someones first suppressor. While the advice I’m going to give might not even fit your needs but I wish I could have told this to a younger me. Some of it I got right the first time and some I missed the mark.
if I had it to do over again I would have gotten a long high preforming titanium 30 cal suppressor with hub compatible mounting first. I ended up getting a good preforming 30 cal suppressor but it is direct thread and HEAVY. I can not say this enough watch the weights a heavy can is not as fun. Current best picks in this category are dead air nomad L Ti, ddc enticer, csg Hyperion, and thunder beast Magnus. The last two don’t have hub compatibly but are very quiet.

the second can or even the first should be a 22 can. I lucked up and got one of the best made cans element 2 but the old AAC is gone. The top 22 cans now are mask, takedown, oculus, switch back, and NYX. Don’t get an aluminum can!

my third can should have been a tough midsize 30cal steel can. There are a lot of good cans that fit in this category so I will just name a few.
Nomad 30, omega 300, vox, anthem k steel, and explorer. Unless you have a machine gun any of these do good on short barrels and ar15s. Don’t get the sandman. It’s a popular choice in this category but it’s heavy and not quite. There is better technology out there.

this is where I would put a do all can mainly for pistol or larger projectiles. I got a 46hybrid and I’m happy with it because I know what to expect from it. I use it on my 45-70 and 450 bushmaster. It has even spent some time on a 5.56 pistol. Yes you can put it on a pistol but I never will because it’s big and heavy.

then I would get the r9 but I would rather have the Fly9 but it’s expensive.

just as a side note glock and glock clones (dagger) don’t make the best suppressor hosts.

the suppressors I have in order I got them and what I think I did right and wrong.
AAC Cyclone- not the best choice it’s heavy and direct thread.
AAC Element 2. - best purchase
Sico 46 Hybrid- good choice for 45cal rifle
Dead air Ti - I should have gotten the Ti L
Dead air 30 - good purchase will use it on all of my ARs 5.56-7.62x39 rifles and pistols

if you really want to get research paralysis check out pew science. He is doing real sound testing you can trust.

Good advice here, thanks. I love my hyperion on 300wm and looking to tame my Whelen, thoughts?

 

I must reiterate these proprietary suppressor attachment devices can be problematic over the life of the owner. When YHM advances the product to, as the marketing department will say, "to the next level", obsolescence begins. We've seen AAC go from 13teeth, to 51T, to 90T, none backwards compatible, then go out of business, Sig-Sauer went from "taper-lock" to the current "clutch-lock" and of course it's not backwards compatible.

Your firearm collection will grow exponentially and you'll want an attachment device for everything. You can bet that in 2032 looking for a YHM attachment device or a direct thread adapter, etc., for a 2022 suppressor is going to be a mildly expensive hassle. My middle name is "no-hassle".

Direct thread is zero hassle for perpetuity.

If you're a seasoned citizen this may not be a problem in your lifetime, however, if you're a younger fellar, it will.

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i believe the Current YHMs have an additional more universal attachment thread built in. And direct thread adapters are easily available now to turn your QD can Into a traditional DT.

 

Still reading and looking. And still leaning towards the YHM R9as I want something for the Dagger and I am thinking of buying a Ruger PC9. For a 223 one I like the YHM Turbo T2, and 22lr my choice is leaning towards the Griffin Optimus Micro.

 

My next 22 can will be a Q Erector, check them out

 

Most versatile can on the market is sico hybrid 46, got 2, want 2 more. Does everything good, nothing great. Best bang for the buck.

 

Second best option is coastal mims, have 3 of them, have to stay away from high power stuff, but super quite because of volume. Great with .300 BO & sub 9mm. Will adapt to anything.

 

Liberty mystic X is a great all around can also. Me personally I like to just direct thread everything helps save weight and costs of multiple mounts.